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ICANT Member  Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi Rahvin,
Rahvin writes: It's not even a matter of rationality. If their premise was true, all of their conclusions would be perfectly valid. If the Bible, as written, it truly infallible, then the world really is 6-10,000 years old. their=creationist that bugs me a little I believe in creation by God. I believe in the literal Genesis account of creation. I do not believe the world is 6,000 to 10,000 years old. In fact Genesis does not say the earth is 6k to 10k years old. I do agree that a lot of people on here say it is. Have fun,
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : No reason given. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi arachnophilia,
arachnophilia writes: yeah but your definition of "literal" is rather funny. My definition of "literal"=accepting what is written down free from exaggeration or embellishment. I don't have to use any fuzzy math.I get 7 full days between Genesis 1:2 and Genesis 2:3 instead of 6 1/2. I don't have to appeal to a 1,000 year old text that is not in the original Hebrew and was compiled by Jews who did not believe in the deity of Jesus, to translate Genesis from instead of an available 2,300+ year old text that was translated from the original Hebrew text. I only have to have one verse to explain how the universe as you see it today came into existence. Genesis 1:1. I do think some copyist misplaced what is now Genesis 1:2 through Genesis 2:3 prior to the Septuagint translation. Because it did not say what he thought it should. Since there was no chapters and verses at that time that would have been no problem. Those who hold to a 6k to 10, year old earth have to use a lot of fuzzy happenings to squeeze everything into their time frame. Those who hold to the traditional old earth view have to use some fuzzy math to get their long periods of time in. Those who hold to the big bang theory have a couple of problems.One the universe had a beginning. Two that either requires a creator or creation from the absence of anything. Those who hold to The oscillating universe model have a problem as after awhile the universe would not be able to reproduce itself. Thus it had to have a beginning somewhere. Those who hold to the "quantum model of universe" which is another attempt to purge the Big Bang of its creationist implications had a few problems. Enter Stephen Hawking with a brilliant idea of imaginary time to shore up this model. I have none of those problems. The universe can be as old as it is,which no one knows exactly how old it is. It can be as big as it is. I have no shortage of material to construct the universe out of. As to age there are some pretty good ideas give or take a few years depending on who you are listening to at the time. Have fun,
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Hi arachnophilia
oof, now there's some funny logic. i'd like to point out that the 2,300 year old jews didn't believe in jesus either, and necessarily so because he hadn't been born yet. Easy big fellow I did not say they did not believe in Jesus they believed he was a great teacher. I said they did not believe in the deity of Jesus. The ones prior to Jesus time was looking for his coming. He just did not arrive on a white charger and set up His kingdom like they had envisioned. So they refused to accept Him as their King.
arachnophilia writes:
Sorry to disappoint you I can read the Greek one.
further, it is a translation. and i'm reasonably positive that you're reading it in translation. so opposed to reading something that's at least in the original language, you're reading something that has been distorted by two translation cycles. arachnophilia writes: further, the masoretic is much older than 1,000. under the same standards you're measuring the septuagint, it's closer to 1,800. if you're going to use the oldest surviving codex, that puts the LXX at about 400 ad. The septuagint was completed long before Christ arrived. He quoted it and the Apostles quoted it. Greek was the basic language of the day. The masoretic text as you pointed out was started many years after Christ. It was not finished until the 10th or llth century.
arachnophilia writes: even further, there is a high degrees of correlation between the masoretic and the DSS, showing that the text (of at least the still-present books) as remained largely unchanged since before the time of christ. There is a high degree of correlation between the masoretic and the septuagint. They came from the same originals. All am saying is the Jews who did not believe in the Deity of Jesus had an agenda to get references to that and a few other things out of their way. That is no different that the present flood of translations.I read one the other day where the 2nd chapter of Genesis had 3 verses. arachnophilia writes: plausible the first verse of genesis in the LXX's source document said the same thing it does today in the masoretic. I think the first verse is pretty much the same.I got no problem with: In the beginning God created (made)(either word)the heaven and the earth, arachnophilia writes: no, and to do so would be silly, because genesis 1:1 is a dependent clause. it's not even a complete sentence. what i do think is that needlessly breaking up the sentence, and rendering that dependent clause as referring to something else entirely, and inserting a whole other story of creation and destruction in there is rather absurd. in the middle of a sentence! You say it is a dependent clause. Why? Have fun now,
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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