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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
Wow.....thank you percy.
My wife may not feel the same way as posting on this forum can definitely take a lot of time away from work...
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Nothing is forever. Let us see how things go for a little while before I give the question more consideration.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I've often said that just like bad money pushes out good money (think inflation), bad debate pushes out good debate. The more threads become bogged down in endless haggling over side-issues, the less the forum hosts quality discussions and the less it draws quality participants. I agree that bad debate pushes out good debate, but at the same time, controversial debates sucks people in like a sponge. This is why, like it or not, threads on homosexuality, abortion, etc drew large crowds. Yes, it was divisive. And that is a problem. But good moderation can avoid these problems. It just requires some diligence and for some moderators not to involve themselves in their member status.
I've also argued many times that people don't change. Problem members, no matter what the specifics, will almost always remain problem members. If it means anything to you, in response to my public apology, Berberry, of all people, has written me an email accepting my apology for which I am grateful for. He apologized to me, but I didn't accept his apology because he didn't have to apologize to me at all! I meant what I said earlier. Whether it was all my fault or partly my fault is inconsequential to me. I want to eat all of it and wish to take full responsibility. If Berberry and I can make reparations, even to the point where we may even hang out when he comes to California, why couldn't anyone else end the negativity? More to the point, I have seen monumental changes in many members brenna, to name one. She's a sweet girl who simply is as not afraid of voicing her opinions as me. But she has changed how she delivers it in most regards. Would it be lasting? Could some a-hole push her buttons to the point where she comes back with some snappy comeback? I don't know. But I'm willing to leave the past in its rightful place. Jar, our own lovable, cantankerous soul has also come a long way in my opinion. He and I speak amicably now, despite not still agreeing on many things. As a result, he no longer seeks to find ways to irritate me. Since NWR's return, he and I have not quarreled even once. Same with Omni. I largely attribute that to sessions in chat, where we really got to know each other. The list goes on. Then of course there is the matter of people, such as iceage, that did not seem to warrant any suspension whatsoever. And the rest, well, they just stood with their buddies. Even the always sweet Purple Dawn has jumped ship. That's got to say a lot.
AdminNosy, Adminnemooseus and myself still have details to work out regarding moderation I hope this trio can work it out. I still think you need more.
EvC Forum exists to provide a venue for productive discussion between evolutionists and creationists through moderated discussion threads. Those who make this difficult will not be permitted to remain here. I don't think it is asking too much for members to embrace the raison d'tre of EvC Forum and not hinder achievement of our primary goal of allowing the two sides to better understand one another through communication in a dispassionate environment. This debate will never be dispassionate. We're human beings with thoughts and emotions. I mean, I certainly agree that we all need to keep our composure, but its going to get heated even still.
Any gathering of people develops a sense of community, and this turns out to be as true of the virtual communities of the on-line world as anywhere real. It's always sad when a community loses someone That's really the heart of the issue right now for me. But you have a forum to run. I respect your decision, but I hope that you would still reconsider. “There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: You (wrongly) interpreted my comment that they should be moderating creationists as meaning that they should only moderate creationists. Why is it wrong then to take your comment that they should moderate evolutionists as meaning that they should only moderate evolutionists ? The rest of your post simply does not connect to what I've been saying. Apparently you still think that I am suggesting that creationist moderators should be placed in an inferior role. I made no such suggestion.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Nothing is forever. Let us see how things go for a little while before I give the question more consideration. Fair enough. I can handle that for the time being. Thank you for responding. (I had my finger on the self-destruct button ) “There is something which unites magic and applied science while separating both from the 'wisdom' of earlier ages. For the wise men of old the cardinal problem had been how to conform the soul to objective reality, and the solution had been knowledge, self-discipline, and virtue. For magic and applied science alike the problem is how to subdue reality to the wishes of men: the solution is a technique; and both, in the practice of this technique, are ready to do things hitherto regarded as disgusting and impious" -C.S. Lewis
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
I share the same concerns over Ned to be frank, but then again, I haven't been back very long so maybe shouldn't comment.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5620 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Not sure if NosyNed is capable of being unbiased in moderating evolutionists or creationists.
If creationists are to moderate creationists and the evolutionists moderate evolutionists then Percy not Ned should moderate the moderators. P.S. If a creationist moderator has to fear the wrath of ned then how pray tell would any creationists want to come here to debate!!!!!!!
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1372 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
i hear the people banned from the site can no longer participate in chat?
why? Edited by arachnophilia, : No reason given.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2670 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I find Ned to be even handed and fair to all.
I am sooooo glad he's a mod.
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
Hey, guys! Just thought I'd pop back in and check if some tempers have cooled, and...
Well, damn. Okay. Just stopping in long enough to throw this out there, then.
Percy six months ago writes: Do you follow the NFL at all? If so, you might know that the NFL rules are formulated so that referees never have to make judgment calls. A player either violated a rule or he didn't, but his intent is never an issue. Hence, a "roughing the quarterback" call does not depend upon whether it was intentional or not, only on whether it happened or not. Similarly, a face mask violation is strictly a function of whether the face mask was touched (minor penalty, 5 yards and a 1st down) or grasped (major penalty, 15 yards and a 1st down). Intention to rough the quarterback or grab the face mask is never a factor in making the call. As the Forum Guidelines have evolved over the years we've tried to keep this in mind. As much as possible we want to avoid making forum guideline enforcement a judgment call. I don't think we've done anywhere near as well as the NFL in this, but that is our goal, to never make judging a member's intent part of the assessment. Percy now writes: I'm only issuing indefinite suspensions to members who specifically request it, or who indicate by the nature of a reply that they would be a divisive presence in moving forward. It is, of course, your house Percy, and your rules. You can do what you please. But if what you please is inexplicably staggering hypocrisy, then... wow. Have fun with that, big guy. Don't think I'll bother checking back in another six months. And seriously, if anyone can find any language whatsoever in the following text that indicates a "divisive presence," please feel free to e-mail me. I wish to put your downright superhuman ability to make nigh-on psychic judgement calls... calls that see past mere "actions that actually happened in reality" to some effective use. There's gotta be a way to make some serious money off it.
quote: "I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut." -Stephen Colbert
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Admin Director Posts: 13042 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Yours is a pretty good example of a post indicating that you'd probably be a divisive force in moving forward. EvC Forum is for discussion and debate on topics related to the creation/evolution controversy. If that's what you'd like to do, then welcome aboard, that's what this site is for. But the moderators who work so hard to make this site work are not here for members to abuse, which is what had become far too commonplace.
No need to check in every six months with an attitude like yours. Edited by Admin, : Grammar.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Jesus, we lose Ringo and nwr but randman now has full posting privilages.
Wow, the quality of debate is simply bound to improve.
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nator Member (Idle past 2198 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
So Dan is too threatening, now? He's on the list of undesireables?
Gee, is the fact that I am still unhappy with the pogrom you have enacted make my days here numbered too, percy? Should I be watching what I say?
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randman  Suspended Member (Idle past 4928 days) Posts: 6367 Joined: |
We could just ban all the creationists and IDers or maybe except a handful? Is that better?
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Didn't we do that already?
I'm sure it was on my 'to do' list. TTFN, WK
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