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Topic: Relativity in Creationism
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 1 of 31 (456383)
02-17-2008 4:53 PM
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A radical new view of Creationism states it is not evolution but the dimensions of this universe (relativity, quantum mechanics) that differentiate it from the creation of Genesis. It is man's relation to God or lack thereof that determines the dimensions of the world in which he lives. The absolute relation of man to God was broken through sin and became a relative relation to the world around him. This relativity is the same concept that Einstein himself dealt with. Relativity makes it necessary that beings evolve in relation to the world around them and not to an absolute God. This universe evolved out of the original creation when our relation to God was no longer an absolute.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 5 of 31 (456515)
02-18-2008 2:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 4 by AZPaul3 02-18-2008 11:52 AM
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Actually it comes out of Soren Kierkegaard's declaration that the self is a relation. Genesis states that God formed man out of dust from the ground, yet Adam existed in God's image. It was his relation to God that gave him identity; when this relation was broken through sin, Adam saw himself in terms of the "man of dust", not in terms of his relation to God.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 8 of 31 (456661)
02-19-2008 1:41 PM
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Reply to: Message 7 by AZPaul3 02-18-2008 5:34 PM
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Creationists have to differentiate the creation of Genesis from today's universe in order to show that evolution and probability did not originate with God but are outcomes of man's sinful relations. Evolution is a result of relativity, the relative relations we have to the world around us. Only the relation to God is absolute; if everything exists in relation to an absolute God, you have one center - God. If each person establishes his or her own relation to creation, you have countless centers; each human being is the center of his own little world. He or she lives according to his or her own meanings, not God's meaning or truth. This is relativity. Since man was created in God's image, it is man's relations to the world around him that establishes its dimensions. The world changes according to man's changing relations to it. Man and beast adapt to these changes - that's evolution.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 11 of 31 (456973)
02-21-2008 2:52 AM
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Reply to: Message 10 by Taz 02-20-2008 12:45 PM
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Re: Attention Silent H (aka Holmes)!
You can label it what you will but if all you're going to do is call names, there's no debating anything. I suggest you try reading Kiekegaard's 'Sickness Unto Death', first, so you can have some idea of what you're debating. In all sincerity. Edited by pam-powers, : Gave wrong book title.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 15 of 31 (457045)
02-21-2008 12:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Modulous 02-21-2008 10:56 AM
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Re: do you mean relativism?
I'm not sure what you're talking about; maybe. We're trying to explain how the dimensions of this universe - which are relativity and quantum mechanics - came about as a result of the broken relation with God. Man's relation to God is central. The world Adam lived in before he sinned existed in entirely different dimensions than the one today and these dimensions were defined by his relation to God.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Re: do you mean relativism?
I beg to differ but relativity and quantum mechanics are very definitely dimensions of this universe. For an excellent DVD on the subject, I suggest physicist Brian Greene's 'Elegant Universe' (available through PBS) which deals mainly with the subject of quantum mechanics. While I respect your opinions, a Christian like myself can never treat Genesis or any part of the Bible as allegorical or hypothetical. We've stated our respective stances; I'm not trying to change your opinions; I'm trying to reach believers with this word.
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pam-powers
Junior Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 9 Joined: 02-17-2008
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Message 26 of 31 (457611)
02-24-2008 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by AZPaul3 02-22-2008 3:47 PM
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Re: do you mean relativism?
I'm surprised and a little amused at the number of responses my comments have generated. I've posted on other discussion boards.& have never generated this level of response. To move on, however. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions; some relevant to this topic are very thought-provoking. I stand by my assertions. My statements are not just my own private opinions; they're revelations. If you really want to get worked up, try checking out my website: Revelations from the Lord.
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