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AZPaul3
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Message 4 of 31 (456502)
02-18-2008 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by pam-powers
02-17-2008 4:53 PM


Is there some source for this new idea that you can share, please?

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Message 7 of 31 (456536)
02-18-2008 5:34 PM
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02-18-2008 2:08 PM


It was his relation to God that gave him identity; when this relation was broken through sin, Adam saw himself in terms of the "man of dust", not in terms of his relation to God.
And where is Einstein's Special Relativity in this?
How does Adam's view of himself change the dimensions of the universe in which we now live in a fundamental physical way?
How does this view cause Creationists to view Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, instead of Evolution, as what differentiates it from Genesis? And why would creationists want to "differentiate it from the creation of Genesis?"

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Message 9 of 31 (456842)
02-20-2008 11:33 AM
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02-19-2008 1:41 PM


Relativity It Ain't.
Evolution is a result of relativity, the relative relations we have to the world around us.
The use of the word “relativity” as in the physics theory presented by Einstein is bogus here since this has nothing to do with his physics but only a gross misrepresentation of that theory.
Only the relation to God is absolute; if everything exists in relation to an absolute God, you have one center - God.
Statement of faith, but this is to be expected.
If each person establishes his or her own relation to creation, you have countless centers; each human being is the center of his own little world. He or she lives according to his or her own meanings, not God's meaning or truth.
Leave out equating “God’s meaning” to “truth” which is another statement of faith and I have no quibble with this.
This is relativity.
Not even close.
Since man was created in God's image, it is man's relations to the world around him that establishes its dimensions. The world changes according to man's changing relations to it. Man and beast adapt to these changes - that's evolution.
This makes no sense.
There is no underpinning of real physical theory to any of this and at best represents the illogical meanderings of religion once again attempting to find some justification for belief.
In other words it is a load of pop psycho-babble with both a religious twist and no relation to the reality of the human condition.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Re-word for clarity.
Edited by AZPaul3, : Dang typos. Someone has to do something about the existance of typos, like get rid of them. They serve no useful purpose in this universe.

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Message 21 of 31 (457323)
02-22-2008 3:47 PM
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02-22-2008 11:33 AM


Re: do you mean relativism?
I suggest physicist Brian Greene's 'Elegant Universe' (available through PBS) which deals mainly with the subject of quantum mechanics.
I enjoyed Greene's PBS series. The problem, I think, is that if this is your only source of information on what General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are then you totally miss the subjects. Your misinterpretation of what you thought you heard in a TV program is not sufficient knowledge to make the claims you are making. Your claims are wrong.
A question, please. In the OP you allude to this radical new idea for Creationism's proof. Is there a paper or article that you can site as your source so that we can get a better understanding of the hypothesis? I feel you are not doing a good job of relaying the information accurately.
Or is this your radical idea?
That would explain a lot.
abe: Greene is a String Theorist, btw. His program was his attempt to educate the public on String Theory.
Edited by AZPaul3, : 'cuz I wanted to.

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Message 27 of 31 (457644)
02-24-2008 4:49 PM
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02-24-2008 12:40 PM


Re: do you mean relativism?
I stand by my assertions.
Doesn't matter if you stand, sit, squat...you're still wrong.
My statements are not just my own private opinions; they're revelations. If you really want to get worked up, try checking out my website:
I see. This is your own stuff.
A ”revelation’ indeed.
So you are now one of the thousands with their own personal revelations from god on the web.
Such a waste of electrons.

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