Could the universe have been created for no reason?

Welcome to EvC, ChristianJuggalo. lol, that's kinda an oxymoron. Are you a big ICP fan? So what if there's no purpose and not reason to have it? We do know that it does exist. Must there be a reason? The lack of a point of the universe without a god is not evidence for the need of a god. The conclusion would be that the universe simply exists without a point.

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From the OP (opening post or message #1): How about both. God created the universe via chance and time.Eh?

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Science fails to recognize the single most potent element of human existence.
Letting the reigns go to the unfolding is faith, faith, faith, faith.
Science has failed our world.
Science has failed our Mother Earth.
-System of a Down, "Science"He who makes a beast out of himself, gets rid of the pain of being a man.
-Avenged Sevenfold, "Bat Country"

If it has always been here then at no point did it appear. If you want to maintain parsimony, then you shouldn't include god as he is an extraneous entity.Plus, it just pushes the questions back one step. How did god get here? If he always existed, how did he suddenly appear?

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As an aside: If you really do know that god exists, then you really don't have any faith that he does, right?You don't have faith in things that you know.I would also say that you cannot know that god exists. How do you know what you think is god really is god.A sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from the divine. Or the devil could be tricking you

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Well, some poeple want to maintain parsimony, so that would lead them to side with the athiests.Me? I believe Jesus. I don't think he was explicitly calling you a fool, he was just saying that trying to use science to prove god is something that a fool would do.

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Oh, that wasn't clear from what I was reading.I think that their answer is that there is no reason for human existence. By dropping you bias that there has to be a reason.

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So then you don't really KNOW.... Its called debating. That's what we do on debate forums I can believe in Jesus and still argue with you about Christianity. You wouldn't believe some of the crazy shit that Chistians believe.

Not believing in god does not mean that they cannot believe in living in peace and harmony.

Yeah, dude People throw the word "know" around without thinking about it. I don't think it is possible to disprove god. But I also don't think you're going to prove god. So I just try to disprove the proofs for god but I'm not trying to disprove god, herself. The universe is not static. It is always changing and does not "stay as it is". Its an inevitability of the laws of physics. Why? I don't know. I'll just have to trust Jesus on that one.

What about the people who believe that god created the universe via the methods that science has proven to have occured? Well, science has evidence.And we know that science kicks ass and is mostly right, otherwise we wouldn't be communicating over the internet with a computer.Is your only problem with science that it contradicts what you would be more comfortable believing?Are you really going to let your emotions get in the way of learning the truth?

No it doesn't. That is false. Then why would cosmologists support it? They would be the first ones to know if there was a problem. That info was a lie.

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And it pisses me off the Christian websites will knowingly lie to poeple in order to secure more believers. That's an unforgivable sin according to Jesus.Edited by Catholic Scientist, : typo

They do have the proof.The Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (<--- the Red-Shift of distant galaxies suggests that the universe is expanding from a much denser state. Have you ever heard of the Argument from Personal Incredulity? Its a logical fallacy. You can look it up. Fuck it, I'll do it for you.Basically, you just don't understand the Big Bang theory. It doesn't say that the universe "formed all on its own". And given that you think it contradicts themodynamics, I'd say that you've been misinformed of a lot. What does that have to do with the price of tea in China?Niether of those analogies accurately discribe the Big Bang.

Dude, shit happens.What makes you think that things can't just happen by themselves?And what's wrong with the answer: "We don't know."We don't know how/why the universe is the way it must be. It just is. So what?

Have you ever use wikipedia?Check out their page on the Big Bang. But that is not how you are presenting yourself. Instead of asking questions, you are making claims.The reason you are getting ridicule and sarcasm is because you make outrageous claims like "The Big Bang violates the Law of Thermodynamics". If you would have asked if the BB violated the LoT, you would have received a lot less ridicule than claiming that it does.

You could stick around and read and then you would have the information to debate. Meh, don't blame him. He's a liberal and can't help it.

That is demonstrably false.Other have posted trying to help you, including myself.But of course, you will see what you want to see.