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Could the universe have been created for no reason?

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iano
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02-21-2008 1:19 PM 		Reply to: Message 12 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2008 12:52 PM

Oh know...
Catholic Scientist writes:
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If you really do know that god exists, then you really don't have any faith that he does, right? You don't have faith in things that you know. If you really do know that god exists, then you really don't have any faith that he does, right? You don't have faith in things that you know.
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A biblical (as opposed to dictionary) definition of faith
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quote:
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see.
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To know something is the case is to be sure and certain it is the case. This I know.
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I would also say that you cannot know that god exists. How do you know what you think is god really is god.
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Which only goes to show that knowing something is the case doesn't mean it necessarily is. Irrespective of what it is you think you know or what the means are by which you know it. For example...
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A sufficiently advanced technology ...
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...could have a PlayStation game in which you are but a character. As long as junior presses the x button occasionally you'll know there is a computer screen on front of you even though there really isn't one there.
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Knowing. It's the highest court of appeal we have - given that we ourselves are not divine.
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iano
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02-21-2008 4:55 PM 		Reply to: Message 80 by ChristianJuggalo
02-21-2008 4:16 PM

ChristianJuggalo writes:
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I'm done with this thread. All I have is an ignorant atheist named "Taz" hassling me. Well "Taz", I hope the best for you and I hope that you quit acting like a fuckin smart ass. (I'll ask for forgivness later)
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I found that taking a deep breath and pausing-before-posting was a good way to prevent myself having to ask for peoples forgiveness later.
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