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Topic: Could the universe have been created for no reason?
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ChristianJuggalo 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 1 of 103 (457013)
02-21-2008 10:58 AM
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Original content hidden, please see Message 3. --Admin I've heard people say that the universe and everything in it just came about through chance and time. I've also heard that it was created by God. Which one do you choose? 1) Time and chance: The universe came about through time and chance. 2) Creation through God: God created the world in 6 days. Solo Universe: Atheists say that the universe was always here and it expanded over time. They can't explain why or how it was always here but, that it just was. They say it formed without reason. So all by itself it just appeared and did it's thing? God Universe: Christians say God created the world in 6 days. How else can you explain perfect orbit? How else can you explain millions of galaxies and countless stars? Atheists: They believe everything formed without reason (if you disagree, then what do you believe was the reason?) They believe it's reasonable to believe the universe formed without reason. Christians: They believe it's reasonable to believe God created the universe for a reason. How could we have reason in our world if the world came about for no reason? Edited by Admin, : Hide original content.
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
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Message 3 of 103 (457023)
02-21-2008 11:24 AM
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Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
02-21-2008 11:13 AM
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Kind of.
I have thought that if their is no purpose for it then why even have it? I think without God, what would be the point of the universe and human existence? If it did have a point, then what is it and why did it just all of a sudden come about?
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 7 of 103 (457044)
02-21-2008 12:31 PM
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I know the universe exists and I never said their "had" to be a purpose. (I also don't need to believe their is one to make me feel better) I should have worded my statement better. You claim that you don't no that God exists, that's fair. I know he exists (that's my belief you don't have to agree) But, atheists say that the universe has always been here. I want to know, if it has, how did it just suddenly appear? I have asked atheists and they say it just did, they don't know why. (I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, just so you know) So when you say, you don't believe their is a God because you have no proof, then that is rational? But, when I say it was created by God because no one knows how it got here, then I'm irrational? Well, if their is no proof of God (as you say) and their is no proof of how the universe just automatically got here by itself, then why should anyone believe atheists or christians? Also, don't call me a fool because I believe something you don't. I never said you were a fool because you disagree with my beliefs. Edited by ChristianJuggalo, : It was scrambled
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 11 of 103 (457055)
02-21-2008 12:50 PM
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I don't know how to create that little box to put your question in my post. So I will just answer in my own way. "Welcome to EvC, ChristianJuggalo. lol, that's kinda an oxymoron. Are you a big ICP fan?" Thanks for the welcome. I am a big ICP fan, but it's just for the music and lyrics, I don't buy into all of the stuff they say. "So what if there's no purpose and not reason to have it? We do know that it does exist. Must there be a reason?" Yes, it does exist, that's a fact. Their doesn't technically have to be a reason for the universe, but what I want to know is (from the atheists point of view) what is the reason for human existence? Are we just here to live this short and sometimes chaotic and stressful life and then die and never live again on Earth or in the afterlife? That just doesn't seem very exciting to me. We live we die and we never have anything afterwords? To me that's just boring. "The lack of a point of the universe without a god is not evidence for the need of a god. The conclusion would be that the universe simply exists without a point." I disagree (that's just my belief, I'm not saying you have to agree) But, how did it form by itself? If someone tells me, it just did, how am I supposed to believe anything?
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 13 of 103 (457059)
02-21-2008 12:56 PM
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OFF SUBJECT Can someone tell me how to get someone else's quote in my post?
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ChristianJuggalo
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Message 15 of 103 (457062)
02-21-2008 1:02 PM
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"If you really do know that god exists, then you really don't have any faith that he does, right? You don't have faith in things that you know. I would also say that you cannot know that god exists. How do you know what you think is god really is god. A sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from the divine. Or the devil could be tricking you" I meant that my faith is so strong that in my heart I know he exists. Also, "Catholic Scientist", you seem to be (in my opionion) trying to prove me wrong, but you said you believe in Jesus. I'm confused.
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ChristianJuggalo
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So atheists just want to live and die without the belief of living in peace and harmony? That's sad.
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
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So then you don't really KNOW....
Dude, okay, I have faith that God exists. Is that better for you? Just so you know, people have a hard time understanding because of the way I use my words. Also, I know it's debating, I was confused because I thought you were trying to disprove God. I also want to know, if the universe has always been here, then why didn't it just stay as it was? Why did it create humans and other life?
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 25 of 103 (457078)
02-21-2008 1:28 PM
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Reply to: Message 21 by subbie
02-21-2008 1:17 PM
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No, we just find our peace and harmony in something other than a fairy tale. In my mi
Okay, you believe it's a fairy tale. I do believe we are going to have an afterlife. I will pray for you. If their was no God or Jesus, I would not pray for you.
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Boring eh? Well I am sorry to report that the universe doesn't care whether you are b
I know the universe doesn't care how we live because, the universe doesn't have a mind. I never said the universe should excite me. It is tough shit if we live a shitty life here on Earth. I have read the Big Bang Theory (Idea) and that's all it was, a theory (idea). I actually got a laugh out of it. Actually I won't be disappointed because, I believe that their is an answer to my why questions. The answer is God (you don't have to agree)
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Message 32 of 103 (457089)
02-21-2008 1:37 PM
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Reply to: Message 30 by Rahvin
02-21-2008 1:33 PM
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Re: No, we just find our peace and harmony in something other than a fairy tale. In m
That's what you believe.
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ChristianJuggalo
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Message 34 of 103 (457093)
02-21-2008 1:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Percy
02-21-2008 1:38 PM
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Oh, boy, here we go again...
You're right "percy", here we go again, an atheist trying to pass on "The Big Bang Theory" as fact.
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
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Message 36 of 103 (457097)
02-21-2008 1:50 PM
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You know what? Some people are going to beleive the universe was here without being created and no proof of how it got here. Other people are going to believe it was created by God by relying on faith. Either way, both sides are going to disagree. Neither side has proof. All they have is faith and beliefs. Both sides think their right, and when it comes down to it in the end, we will find out who's right. I'll pray for all non-believers of Christ and hope that you can just open your heart to him and know he loves you. Just give him a chance. I know I will get bashed pretty hard for this, so go ahead.
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ChristianJuggalo
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Message 38 of 103 (457100)
02-21-2008 1:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 35 by subbie
02-21-2008 1:47 PM
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No, what Percy was referring to is another scientific illiterate who thinks that some
Well, the "Big Bang Theory" goes against therodynamics. And yes, I am illiterate when it comes to science. But, I know a theory doesn't stand up to laws or facts. And this one, breaks one of those laws (therodynamics) I don't know much about theordynamics but, I have seen information that says the "Big Bang" goes against it.
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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ChristianJuggalo
Suspended Member (Idle past 5883 days) Posts: 56 From: United States Joined: 02-21-2008
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Well, science has evidence.
I don't have anything against true science. I just don't understand how people can say that the universe formed by itself and not have the proof. I will not let my emotions get in the way of learning true science. I just don't believe that the universe could form all on it's own. Think about it. You cook food right? The food doesn't cook it self does it? You build a house right? It doesn't build it self does it?
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved"- John 3:17 If God didn't create the universe, then how did it just get here?
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