Autumnman writes
The number of ribs of the human”male and female”body is significant in that as far back as one goes in the fossil record the rib cages of these proto-human species present the male and female of the species having the same number of ribs. It is extremely common that an author of a narrative such as the Hebrew Eden Narrative would direct attention to an actual, physical, anatomical reality that would prove his assertion. With the male and female human bodies having the exact same rib cage structure, as well as the fact that the Hebrew feminine noun tzela0 never being used to denote a human or animal rib, the traditional translation of the Hebrew Eden Narrative falls under considerable doubt. That was the point I was making.
None of this ofcourse would disagree with the estimation I set forth on this item, it would only coroborate what I said about the number of ribs. Further, given the ENTIRE conext of the narrative as you call it, would not cast considerable doubt on the entire explanation of the story, in my view
And in regard to the Hebrew Eden Narrative, that fossil record directly relates to the 100,000 year old skeletal remains found on Mt. Carmel in Israel.
How would the Eden narrative have anything to do directly with 100,000years ago, atleast directly that we would be justified in tieing it with these events.
AM wrote: Furthermore, the Hebrew term for Mt. Carmel is harkarmel and literally means, "the high garden-land."
what is the significance of the name of this place, how does that have bearing on anything.
Approximately 100,000 years ago on Mt. Carmel. The fossil record, as you will see from the JVL web site, presents a transition from one type of proto-human to a human species Homo sapiens that eventually became the modern human race. I suspect that the author of the Hebrew Eden Narrative was somehow aware of this rather remarkable fact, and wrote about it, explaining how that incredible transition took place by employing proverb, riddle, and metaphor.
I dont think that by any strech of the imagination any of this would have much to do with the Eden story. Even if it did, according to evolutionists, people 100,000 years ago, physiologically were not much different than we are. I believe they say that man as we are now has been here for about 1,000,000 years. Yours, is strech at best. In this article you provided, they speak of tools and things of this nature.
By the way are you saying that God used the evolutionary method and then at some point, infused man later with this property. "Theistic evolution."
ha>adam does not become fully human until awakened from the “deep sleep” in Gen. 3:21, and sent from the Garden in Eden in Gen. 3:23, “to work the ground from which it was taken.” In Gen. 2:5 the purpose of the human creation is described, “to work the ground,” and the human-brute-animal is created from the ground in Gen. 2:7, before the Garden in Eden is established in Gen. 2:8.
Again, you will have to do much better than this to tie this place and its fossils to any story in the Bible. Atleast in my view. further, I dont think your estimation of when he became human is correct atleast according to the text, yours is an assertion. I will answer the rest of the Adam,s understanding in part 2 here.
More in a minute.
D Bertot
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