Ouija board, useful information from?

I like to meet people who have used the ouija board, specially people who are still using the board, or even just people who don't mind using the ouija board.Have you obtained useful information from the ouija board or by way of the ouija board?Useful information is any piece of knowledge which you are glad to have come by to make your life more convenient or even happier in any way at any time.For an example of useful information, you want to go out tonight but you are wondering whether it might rain tonight, so you go to the ouija board and ask whether it will rain tonight.Another example of useful information, someone in your family is on hemodialysis, but you are wondering whether peritoneal dialysis is better for him. MY own opinion based on stock reading is that if I were the one on dialysis I would choose peritoneal dialysis, because to my again stock knowledge it is better for me everything considered.Still another example of useful information, you are wondering what is a good and safe home material for removing rust stains from a piece of clothing. In my place, the juice of the kalamansi fruit; this is a very sour but tasty citrus fruit that is like a grapefruit reduced one to one and a half inch diameter -- but much more sour and tasty than grapefruit.Yrreg

Most of the materials in the web on ouija board are not of any useful purposes except to thrill people as in ghost stories, and then to give warning to people to stop dabbling in ouija board, because it will lead you to minor or major disasters even death.My purpose in this thread is to see if anyone at all who has experiences with ouija board can say something positive about the ouija board, in terms of useful information that makes life easier and even makes us happier.Essentially the ouija board is one discovery and invention of mankind whereby mankind can contact spiritual beings, namely, entities of all kinds like organisms, but invisible and not to all 'appearances' bound to the laws of physics and chemistry and biology.Now, I just have this flight of fancy thinking that since the witnesses of their existence i.e. spirits' are so numerous, and dating to from since man attained conscious intelligence -- come to think of it even cats and dogs seem to witness also the existence of spirits:

You see Darwin saw a lot of fossils with similarities in their structure, and he speculated on these similarities as the basis for his book, Time to get together all the testimonies of history and all the men and women today who have contacts with spirits, to get a theory on spirits' existence formulated, so that we can have a science of spiritology.Yrreg

What then is the useful information or generally usefulness of the ouija board?From what I have read it is a means for self knowledge from oneself and from others who know you in any way.And what is the usefulness of self-knowledge?What about self-guidance to the pursuit of life and liberty to the attainment of happiness?So, if you are honest with yourself and you have a modicum of reason and intelligence, then you don't really need to pay for the service of any experts in the psychological service sectors to help you know yourself, and guide you or consequently you guide yourself to be a well-adjusted person, again, for the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness as the end objective.You can use the ouija board, you alone or together with friends who are after your best interests; that will save a lot of money and time and trouble dealing with experts in psychology, like professionals called psychiatrists or popularly shrinks.But, even though we have apparently debunked the spirits from the ouija board, that is no certainty at all that there are no such entities as spirits, the question is still an open issue.However, since we are already too occupied dealing with visible beings starting with ourselves, it might be very advisable to leave the spirits to their own devices -- unless and until there is some usefulness to believe and to act accordingly that they exist and have an impact in our lives.As regards the big title of this website and forum, namely, Creation versus Evolution, my impression is that there are among the cons to evolution theory people who believe in one supreme spirit in charge of the whole caboodle that is the universe of existence, and there are very many among the pros who insist that there is no such spirit but there is only nature.Is that the nature? which is 'in charge' of natural selection as in Charles Darwin's natural selection in his work: That is one entity I like to investigate more and more in regard to the theory of evolution.Now is the time for all good men pro theory of evolution to come to the aid of their nature.Yrreg

Well, that is a revelation for me! Hahahaha.Time to consult the contributors to peer review magazines, etc.But my interest now is to investigate the nature that is at the heart of the theory of evolution, or in the work of Charles Darwin on natural selection as the what, mechanism (misnomer I believe) of the origin of species (Darwin's term for what we now call evolution of species or evolution in brief in the proper context): So, shall we give some attention to nature?Yrreg

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So do you want to drop the ouija board topic?

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I would have thought the mechanism of evolution can be easily summed up with mutation and natual selection.

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Any other questions?
  —"Larni"

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Honestly, I have not come across any really serious laboratory study of the ouija board; I thought up the topic, "Ouija board, useful information from?" to sincerely hear anything at all about the ouija board which is of any utility to man, hear from people who have experienced the ouija board.What I have read from the messages here is more toward warning not to dabble in ouija board activities, because it can lead to disasters even to death of participants or family members and friends of participants who don't dabble in the board.Warning not to is the thrust of writings also in the web on ouija board; but the ouija board is described as a way and means to get messages from spirits, i.e., answers to questions, specially from spirits of deceased people who need not have known any of the participants during their life time.There seems to be a hurry to dismiss the ouija board, owing as I said to the fear of disasters presumably from the spirits contacted; but no one has attempted any speculations as to why the spirits want to do harm to people.So, my conclusion from reading about accounts by people who profess to have studied the ouija board is that it is a way and means by which unwittingly the participants talk about themselves either honestly or dishonestly; but if you are clever you will realize that if you would look at the ouija board positively, it is an easy and economical method to get to know oneself which one then can then employ for self-guidance in life, as I said to pursue life, liberty, and the attainment of happiness.That is my conclusion in respect of saying something positive about the ouija board, instead of adopting a negative bias toward it.About theory of evolution and the fact of evolution, I am sincerely trying to find out why people can't agree on exactly what are the findings from our senses and our talents for thinking constructively i.e., positively, the enlightening knowledge which we all can embrace, if for no other reason than to enrich our acquaintance with life and the universe as we can fathom. according to our possibilities and limitations for again, knowledge.You say, "I would have thought the mechanism of evolution can be easily summed up with mutation and natual selection."That sounds like you are not being very certain about what you think, that the fact of evolution is summed up with mutation and natural selection.You see, I like to determine exactly what is nature's role in natural selection and of course also in mutation that make up the fact of evolution, which the theory is trying to explain.Allow me to invite you to join me in a new thread on the role of nature in random mutation and in non-random natural selection.Yrreg

I am not dropping the ouija board subject, but I have not come to any really laboratory examination of the ouija board.Now, I have read from people who did dabble in ouija board that they have seen the planchette move even without any participant touching it, or it being attached in any manner to anything mechanical or visible or detectable by 'empirical' means and ways to the planchette as to move it surreptitiously.Read the debunkers of ouija board and tell me if they also take up the reports of planchette moving by itself without any participant touching it.About interest in evolution in biology, as it is the idea the basic idea that is, that is now the backbone of all understanding of the observable universe, if you will look up my other threads I am sure you will find my posts on evolution, and I always ask the question what is it in random mutation or change that it is always so lucky as to not get randomly destroyed by the next instance of random mutation itself, and what is the nature in natural selection that it has a bias for preserving what it selects t be preserved.Yrreg

Well, to be thinking outside the box you have got to know in what box you are thinking outside of.And consider whether the box you think that others are thinking inside encapsulates the box you are thinking inside.Now, imagine if you dare a box that is bigger than the one you and the others are thinking inside respectively.So, the way to think this is to imagine a box that is bigger than any box you and anyone else are thinking inside.Is there such a box that contains all the boxes people are thinking inside?To me there is, and it is the box of existence as opposed to non-existence.Call that biggest of boxes that contains all other boxes whatever, the box of thing(s) as opposed to nothing.Is nothing then you will tell me the biggest box because it surrounds the box of thing(s)?If you want to quibble it's your choice, but you can't think inside nothing and about nothing.So stop quibbling and concentrate on thing(s).What are examples of things?Anything and everything you have a concept of and there is a word already used by thinking people to refer to it.Now, if you have a concept and you give it a name, then that is something that you can invite people to think with you about it.Conclusion: to think outside the box means to think within the box of thing(s), i.e., everything that is already put in the mind of a human and there is a name for it already also given by a human and used by fellow humans to refer to the concept. What is the box enthusiasts of the theory of evolution box themselves in? Socalled random mutation and natural selection, which if they think intelligently about them are also closeted in a box that is encapsulated in a bigger box, but the enthusiasts are afraid to think outside their self-dungeon of a box.What is the box enthusiasts of the Big Bang theory box themselves in? The mental space between on the one end the point of the Big Bang socalled and the limit of the expanding observable universe, but there is a bigger box containing the metal space between these two boundaries of the point of the Big Bang beginning and the ballooning edge of the expanding observable universe.Yrreg

You are talking about empirical evidence, unless I am mistaken.That is a box which you should not box yourself in because there are things which an intelligent mind is certain of even if you cannot produce empirical evidence to support them.For example, if you think intelligently and not be boxed in by empirical evidence, you will have certainty that there is something outside the box that is the existence extending from the point of the socalled big bang and the ballooning edge of the observable universe.Yrreg