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Author Topic:   What is the Song of Solomon?
iano
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Message 39 of 53 (476113)
07-21-2008 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by jaywill
07-21-2008 8:29 AM


jaywill writes:
Anyone else have a comment?
I think you've correctly applied, but mis-spelled the word "crass"
I choose to totally ignore posters who go out of their way to be crase and or feel inflamatory street language will strengthen their points.

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iano
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From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland.
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Message 43 of 53 (476170)
07-21-2008 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Hyroglyphx
07-21-2008 4:45 PM


Re: ......?
Juggles writes:
Jaywill, there is no way you could possibly believe this, especially with the scripture you juxtaposed it with. The Song of Songs has nothing to do with anything except the special love and sensuality between a man and a women in the throes of passion. It's poetry no different than a Shakespearean sonnet.
My moneys on jaywill on this one. By a country mile to boot (which would be unusual when it comes to betting against you. But then again, I didn't reckon on you "inking it up" either )
Are you suggesting that this book is prophetical, and is about Jesus Christ during the Second Coming?
"Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies." - Song of Songs 4:5
What cryptic message could you possibly glean from this that doesn't actually have to do with him really liking her breasts?
As with Hell, God is limited to describing environments in a manner we can (at least begin to) comprehend. Not that that means Hell actually involves high temperatures. How would you describe heaven and to be with God if not like this? What could be better that to be at the breast of the woman you love (if in describing "the best", you limited to describing things in a manner we can (at least begin to) comprehend?

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iano
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Message 45 of 53 (476176)
07-21-2008 5:51 PM
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07-21-2008 5:23 PM


Re: ......?
I just don't see it. It seems that some Christians are really reaching for this one. Now, you know that I agree that much of the Bible is cryptic -- intentionally so. But this one seems like people are trying really hard to Christify everything. While a large percentage of the OT is dedicated to setting up the Christ, I don't think that all of it does.
I like Buzz, but his take on Revelation just has me thumping my head 'gainst the heel of my hand.
He jumps into the cauldron of the detail regarding every word - in order to get it to fit history. But once you hop outside a chronological/historical perspective and take the overview of Gods activity generally, things become a darn sight clearer.
In my view at least. Buzz reaches w.r.t. Revelation. The same kind of wood-for-trees thing can be applied here.
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While I understand the point you are making, it is anecdotal. When Christ or Paul or whatever saint spoke about God's love for His Bride, never is the context sexual in any way. I would think that you would agree that the Song of Songs is mostly about love and lovers, but is not also sensual and sexual in nature?
Do you find (as I do) that you only really see "by faith alone" in Christ words once having been illuminated regarding the mechanics by the apostle Paul?
That is to say: Paul and Christ come from quite different angles - if taken in isolation - but they are totally complimentary if taken together. That neither took this sexual angle doesn't mean they are divorced from it. Doesn't Pauls language drip of union from the pores? Of course it does.
That union, which "no eye has seen and cannot comprehend" is somewhat (as best a God can manage) explained here. Sexually does it, in but one of the way it can be explained, best.
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In my mind it is evidence that sex for Jews and Christians, or anyone for that matter, was not intended to be an "icky" thing, which atheists often indict against Judeo-Christian ethics. It should also be a release for overly puritanical Christians who all but repress their God-given sexuality. In my mind it is glorifying what God had given to the sexes -- the enjoyment of sex, the closeness it is supposed to foster, and the fulfillment of that design.
No argument there. But can I counter-suggest that the Bible is not primarily a cultural document on sex? Sure, it comments against the current/everculturethateverlived - that sees sex as a commodity or a powertrip or a drug or a ....what it has everbeen illicitly used for.
But more that that. This book elevates human sex to be as God intended it to be: an expression of total love and union between two personhoods. And he did so to illustrate as best as can be, the total love and union that will exist between two other personhoods. Namely the ( and jaywills oft described) union between God and man.
Of which I am myself convinced.
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