Rrhain writes:
You seem to be stuck in argumentum ad dictionary. Understanding a language is more than just rattling off synonyms. You need to get to deeper concepts. You need to go beyond individual words and get to usage.
I did not give you synonyms, "1. A word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language."
I gave you the actual Hebrew Word. The correct transliteration and the meaning of that Hebrew word. I then gave you the dictionary meaning of the english word that was used to express the same meaning as the Hebrew word.
You tell me I need to get deeper concepts.
You then tell me your version of what the words mean. Without producing any evidence to back up your view. Other than you say so.
Why should I take your word as fact?
Rrhain writes:
"Toeyvah" are things that are bad in a ritualistic sense. They have to do with intent, purpose, and underlying motivations. "Zimah," on the other hand, are things that are inherently bad no matter what. Murder is always bad and that's why it's described as "zimah."
So what part of your anatomy did you get your definitions from?
Where did you get your degree in Chaldee and Armaic Hebrew?
You tell me murder is always described as "zimah"
The word murder is found in Psa. 10:8, 94:6, Jer. 7:9 Hosea 6:9.
Hosea 6:9 And as troops of robbers wait for a man, so the company of priests murder in the way by consent: for they commit lewdness.
Is the only one lewdness, — zimmah 1) plan, device, wickedness, evil plan, mischievous purpose appears in. All definitions given in this manner are from a Chaldee Armaic Hebrew Lexicon.
The verse says these priests devised an evil wicked plan. I agree.
The Bible says:
Exd 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.
Deu 5:17 Thou shalt not kill
Kill, ratsach verb 1) to murder, slay, kill.
Maybe you can help me out here. I can't find where the penalty for murder was given.
I do find where there was a city of refuge was for the slayer, someone who killed someone. Jos. 21:13, 21, 27, 32 and 38.
The slayer could flee to the city of refuge and while there no one was allowed to kill them.
I find no city of refuge for anyone commiting the offense in:
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Would you please explain to me how my having sex with my wife is in a ritualistic sense.
Under the law given in this scripture if I have sex with a man as I do with my wife I an my male partner shall surely be put to death.
Leviticus 20:13 does not make a different punishment for a ritual or non ritual occurance of the sex act. The penalty is for a man having sex with a man.
Rrhain writes:
The point is that there were common phrasings that were used to describe things that are never to be allowed. Those phrasings are not used.
What part of "Thou shall not" do you not understand? Lev. 18:22
What part of "they shall surely be put to death" do you not understand? Lev. 20:13
There are no exception's made for any reason. "If a man", would include any man.
Rrhain writes:
Since the entire concept of gay people didn't exist then,
There was such a thing a male and male sex back then. It was forbidden and the penalty for it was death.
So what is the concept of gay people about if it is not sex?
Rrhain writes:
The only admonitions against same-sex sex in the Bible have to do with temple prostitution.
Would you please take these words and explain to me where it is talking about temple prostitution?
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
God Bless,
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