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Author Topic:   Geologists and dating (India Basins Half a Billion Years Older Than Thought)
peaceharris
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Message 84 of 93 (478577)
08-18-2008 2:09 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by JonF
08-15-2008 4:43 PM


Re: Model
JonF writes:
I don't see exactly where your error is. I suspect it's in the integration. But the error is there.
The integration is correct. You can find a similar solution here: http://www.soes.soton.ac.uk/staff/pmrp/GY309/Module6/m6.html
But I did make a mistake regarding the Sangeang Api volcano. The authors of that paper were talking about activity ratios, not isotope ratios. So I have corrected my reply at
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Joe writes:
LOL, reference please.
Shocked zircons from a K/T ejecta layer in Colorado preserve a primary source age of 545 Myr, with variable degrees of isotopic resetting consistent with partial lead loss at the time of impact (65 Myr ago) - quote from
U—Pb ages of single shocked zircons linking distal K/T ejecta to the Chicxulub crater | Nature
From what I understand, the authors are saying that there was Pb loss in the shocked zircons at the time of impact.

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peaceharris
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Message 86 of 93 (479640)
08-29-2008 2:28 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by New Cat's Eye
08-14-2008 9:43 AM


Re: data
Catholic Scientist writes:
Well... how good is the model? What does it look like?
I have completed doing simple regression of measured data to my model. The correlation factor isn't good, but better than Concordia model.
I have explained the model, and checked the measured data from samples of 2 volcanos to this model here:
http://www.geocities.com/peaceharris/u238/index.html

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peaceharris
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Message 89 of 93 (481843)
09-13-2008 1:54 AM
Reply to: Message 87 by Joe Meert
09-08-2008 2:41 PM


clarification of my model
Joe writes:
I'm curious why you did not plot the Aguajito data.
I was searching for data from a recent eruption (for example St Helen's volcano), since data from a recent eruption represents the initial U-Pb ratios more accurately than a historic eruption. I wasn't able to find U-Pb data of zircons from St Helen's volcano. Data from the La Virgen volcano, which erupted in 1746, might also possibly represent the initial ratio.
After discovering that the La Virgen data fits my model, I proceeded to check whether the data from La Reforma also fits my model. Since it was a poor fit, I didn't see any reason why I should proceed to do further regresion on more data.
Joe writes:
The data you used do not support your model in any convincing fashion. You even state this same fact and then tout your model as superior. It's not.
The correlation factor may not be the best way to prove the superiority of my model, but I can't think of a better way to compare both models? Perhaps you know of a better method to compare 2 different models?
Joe writes:
Your comparison to concordia using these data has a fundamental flaw in logic (do you know what that is?)
With the data I have, I couldn't think of a better comparison method. (I don't think you believe that I would reach a very much different result if I used the other types of regression as Jonf suggests, and I don't think you see any purpose of doing that)
Please enlighten me telling the flaw in logic, and if possible a better comparison method.

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peaceharris
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Message 92 of 93 (487145)
10-28-2008 1:30 AM
Reply to: Message 90 by ChrisS
10-26-2008 7:26 PM


Re: data
ChrisS writes:
You state that the amount of 206Pb is equal to:-
PbTotal*(1 - 204Pb/206Pb - 207Pb/206Pb - 208Pb/206Pb). Mistake no. 1 - this is wrong!
Thanks for pointing out that mistake. I have removed that paper from the web.

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