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Fosdick 
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Message 5 of 53 (488775)
11-17-2008 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Wounded King
11-17-2008 9:33 AM


Re: It's all in the synergy
Wounded writes:
We also have to bear in mind there could be a host of other factors which need to be taken into account, such as the proposed effect of co-evolution with parasitic organisms in increasing the rate of purging of deleterious mutations (Buckling et al., 2006).
This is an interesting observation. As you say, the authors conclude:
quote:
These data suggest that coevolution with parasites increases the rate at which deleterious mutations are purged from host populations.
Well, then, parasites could be seen as symbiotic organisms as well. I like this ambiguity. Biology really is a soft science. No wonder the Creatins are so confused.
”FTF

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Fosdick 
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Message 7 of 53 (488779)
11-17-2008 1:04 PM
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11-17-2008 12:16 PM


Re: It's all in the synergy
You are precisely correct, CS. I meant to say "mutualistic organisms."
”FTF
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Fosdick 
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Message 9 of 53 (488783)
11-17-2008 1:30 PM
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11-17-2008 1:19 PM


Re: It's all in the synergy
So... parasites can have some "side effects" that can be beneficial to the host.
Kinda defeats the meaning of "parasite," doesn't it?
Why does this make biology "soft" and understandably misunderstood?
"Soft" because it's not "hard" like the physical sciences. (Geologists know where the rocks came from, but biologists don't know where life came from.) "Misunderstood" because it is often necessarily ambiguous.
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Message 12 of 53 (488804)
11-17-2008 7:40 PM
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11-17-2008 2:22 PM


Re: It's all in the synergy
If I give a dollar and punch you in the face, that you've benefited from the dollar doesn't mean I haven't harmed you.
THIS is what I mean by ambiguity. You could also argue for the benefits from cancer, but I wouldn't.
"Soft" because it's not "hard" like the physical sciences.
I know what you meant... but why?
FYI, "hard" science distinguishes from social science. Physical science distinguishes from natural science. Biology is a natural science so, even though you're right that it isn't a physical science, it is a "hard" science.
I've always heard it this way: There are three kinds of science: 1. the physical sciences, which are "hard"; 2. the biological sciences, which are "soft"; and 3. and the social sciences, which are too thin to be either. Another way to look at it is having only two categories: 1. the physical sciences”the hard sciences, and 2. the life sciences”the soft sciences. (Who says wiki is always right, anyway?)
There is nothing ambiguous about the definition of parasite that is necessary for allowing for the host to benefit in some way.
Predator-prey relationships can be ambiguous, you know. I watched a film once of a snake attacking a frog, but it got hold of only one of the frog's legs. So the frog turned around and ate the snake. But for a while it was hard to tell who was the luncher and who was the lunchee. Things are not as cut-and-dried as they are over in the hard sciences, except for quantum mechanics, of course.
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