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Stagamancer
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Message 6 of 24 (508268)
05-11-2009 10:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Creation Is Fallacious
05-11-2009 10:02 PM


Should students be educated on logical fallacies and illogical statements etc BEFORE being exposed to the whole evolution/creation debate?
Very YES. I would also add that they should be taught basics in statistics and probability (beyond just coin tosses or dice) which would help with many other things beyond the EvC debate as well.

We have many intuitions in our life and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong. The question is, are we going to test those intuitions?
-Dan Ariely

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Stagamancer
Member (Idle past 4944 days)
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From: Oregon
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Message 8 of 24 (508271)
05-11-2009 10:51 PM
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05-11-2009 10:44 PM


It doesn't need to be advanced stats, even just a hand-waiving explanation of standard deviation, standard error, and P-values would go a long way I think. They don't necessarily even need to learn how to calculate all that, just understand, for example, that a P-value of above 0.05 is generally considered not that great.

We have many intuitions in our life and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong. The question is, are we going to test those intuitions?
-Dan Ariely

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Stagamancer
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Message 21 of 24 (508369)
05-12-2009 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Taq
05-12-2009 6:24 PM


I think what we really need is a complete overhaul of the educational system. Yes, I know that this would be hard, but I really think we need to move away from an information based education to a thinking based education. It's getting easier and easier to access facts. With smart phones and tiny laptops becoming ubiquitous, and with sites like wikipedia and others, vast amounts of info are seconds to minutes away. We already know standardized tests really don't mean that much in terms of intelligence, so why don't we move away from that kind of teaching already? I think from a very young age, we can start teaching kids critical thinking by having them figure things out for themselves instead of just thrusting information into their heads.
All I can see are eyes glazing over as the teacher presents Platonic Forms.
There are many ways to teach kids how to think critically besides presenting them with formal theory. I think the best way is to get them to start thinking critically by having them come up with ideas, try to answer them and then defend their answers. Then later, we can formalize it with the particular vocabulary used in a Logic Class, or whatever. In my ideal world, it would be like teaching them a language. Kids learn to use language even before we ever tell them exactly what a noun or a verb or a gerund is, and they do it by trying it out for themselves.
I dunno, I'm no expert on teaching or learning, but in my ideal world that how it would be.
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We have many intuitions in our life and the point is that many of these intuitions are wrong. The question is, are we going to test those intuitions?
-Dan Ariely

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