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Author Topic:   Genesis 1 interpretation
John
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Message 3 of 55 (46072)
07-15-2003 9:24 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Newborn
07-15-2003 12:14 AM


Ok. This sounds fun.
I'll buy Gen. 1:1 as the BB. And I'll buy Gen. 1:2 as the immediate aftermath and the condensation of energy to mostly-hydrogen. Verses 3-5 would be the ignition of the first stars. But that is as far it goes. The rest doesn't track.
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John
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Message 7 of 55 (46165)
07-15-2003 8:38 PM
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07-15-2003 10:21 AM


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Genesis 1:6-9->We have to assume here that Hubbles constant varies through space in that time
Of course if we start making up stuff for which there is no evidence then we can no longer claim that the Bible tracks with science, and that is the point isn't it?
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I think of Hubbles constant that it is a function of time and of space (a metric slightly different from Robertson-Walkers) but as time grows it tends to be more constant in space.
I am pretty sure this doesn't make sense. Then again, I am pretty sure that I'm not sure what you are saying.
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And i believe in the beggining all the concentrated matter(I will call it Big Earth) are spinning,thats why God could define the days.
Believe what you want, but without evidence it isn't science.
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Big Earths mass was astronomicaly bigger than Earths and for conservation of angular momentum the period of rotation astronomically bigger(This solves the six day paradox).
hmmm... all the mass of the universe in a planet? It would collapse under its own gravitational field.
Oh, and it wasn't matter and didn't spin, to the best of our knowledge. Remember, we are trying to fit the Bible to science.
How could this solve the six day problem? The 'Big Earth' if it ever existed would be long gone by the time God started making the plants and animals. Sorry, no dice.
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Light would be affected by gravity moving in a circular orbit around the Big Earth(why not?)
Light would be effected by any body of significant size-- any size really. And extremely dense object will pull space-time along with them. But what is the point?
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Of course if light fallens then Big Earth will be a black hole but God did it in a manner that light would circumvent it.
Sorry! Appeal to magic is not science.
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When God made the expansion,light was set free from the Earths gravitational force due to the astronomical change in mass.
I am sure this makes no sense.
Some friendly advice... you obviously know next to nothing about your subject. Spend some time learning about physics and cosmology.
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John
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Message 10 of 55 (46223)
07-16-2003 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Newborn
07-15-2003 9:56 PM


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Jonh it is possible for a particle to orbitate around another without falling to it ,that is not magic.
Yes, of course, but one must consider gravity. An object falls toward the center of gravity of the orbital system. In order for it to not fall it must be moving fast enough to overcome that gravitational pull. As gravity increases, the object must move faster and faster. When gravity is great enough, the object must travel faster than the speed of light and this is not possible as far as we can tell. Basically, compmage gave you answer already.
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For the one that replyed before Jonh-Dont you know I am not English?
Yes. I know you are not English. Your English needs work but it isn't all that bad. It is your understanding of science that stinks.
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John
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Message 47 of 55 (51302)
08-20-2003 1:24 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Newborn
08-19-2003 5:54 PM


Re: response
Okey-dokie.
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When the 'deep' was created, it was a black hole.
Well, I suppose a black hole could be considered 'deep.'
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Under gravity, it collapsed
Black holes don't collapse. They have already collapsed to infinite density. That is what makes them black holes.
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and the temperature, pressure and density increased to the stage where thermonuclear reactions occurred and nucleosynthesis took place.
Wrong. Gravity inside a black hole overcomes everything, even the nuclear forces. Protons, neutrons, electrons and even their component parts collapse. The only thing left is gravity. No protons, neutrons, and electrons means no nucleosynthesis and definitely no thermonuclear reactions.
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Intense light was everywhere inside the black hole.
No it wasn't. Photons emitted below the Schwarzschild radius are sucked irretrievably into the singularity.
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The collapse is considered to have lasted one day
Right... why?
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and then, in a creative act of God, the black hole was converted into a white hole.
Aha! Magic. So much for science.
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This is when the waters above the expanse, the expanse and the waters below the expanse were differentiated.
The waters above space, space and the waters below space were differentiated? Does that really make sense to you?
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With expansion came cooling - and at about 3000 Kelvin, atoms would have been formed and the expanse would become transparent.
hmmmm.... we had nuclear reactions and nucleosynthesis way back in the black hole? Why are we doing it again now? Actually, this is the proper place for such things, but it conflicts with previous statements.
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John
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Message 50 of 55 (51629)
08-21-2003 5:38 PM
Reply to: Message 47 by John
08-20-2003 1:24 AM


Re: response
Newborn, bud, how about a response?
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