Register | Sign In


Understanding through Discussion


EvC Forum active members: 64 (9164 total)
1 online now:
Newest Member: ChatGPT
Post Volume: Total: 916,902 Year: 4,159/9,624 Month: 1,030/974 Week: 357/286 Day: 0/13 Hour: 0/0


Thread  Details

Email This Thread
Newer Topic | Older Topic
  
Author Topic:   Genesis 1 interpretation
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 1 of 55 (46037)
07-15-2003 12:14 AM


I will start to say when i was younger i didnt believe in the Big Bang but Genesis 1 after all talks about it.
Genesis 1:1-3->The beggining of Big Bang.Talk about a high condensed liquid barionic matter (dontt know if it is H2O or not).
Genesis 1:3-5->Talks about barionic matter-radiation decoupling period(someone helps me here please)
Genesis 1:6-9->Talks about the Universe inflationary expansion.This expansion initially were made in a way that the radial density distribution decreases very fast to a short distance and then it increases(In the beggining matter are homogeneous).The total mass of matter near the center is very little compared to the further ones.
However strong force hadnt appeared yet and the further ones are not attracted to the nearest ones(though there is gravitation).
Genesis 1: 9-10->God creates strong force but only on the nearest matter.
This increased matter mass density and the subsequent gravitational force.Fusion reactions made the land appear.
Genesis 1: 11-13->God made vegetation
Genesis 1: 14-19->God creates strong force on the furthest matter and creates weak force in all the matter.Then all the celestial bodies appeared.Strong force mades planets and weak force was responsible for fission producing stars.Then the Earth started orbitating around the Sun and so on.
Thats all i wanted to say.I am sorry if i failed in some scientific concepts but i think you understand the overall.

Replies to this message:
 Message 3 by John, posted 07-15-2003 9:24 AM Newborn has replied
 Message 12 by Parasomnium, posted 07-17-2003 3:35 AM Newborn has replied
 Message 24 by doctrbill, posted 07-20-2003 12:21 AM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 4 of 55 (46086)
07-15-2003 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by John
07-15-2003 9:24 AM


Genesis 1:6-9->We have to assume here that Hubbles constant varies through space in that time(it doesnt happen today)
I think of Hubbles constant that it is a function of time and of space
(a metric slightly different from Robertson-Walkers) but as time grows it tends to be more constant in space.
And i believe in the beggining all the concentrated matter(I will call it Big Earth) are spinning,thats why God could define the days.
Big Earths mass was astronomicaly bigger than Earths and for conservation of angular momentum the period of rotation astronomically bigger(This solves the six day paradox).
Light would be affected by gravity moving in a circular orbit
around the Big Earth(why not?)
Of course if light fallens then Big Earth will be a black hole but God did it in a manner that light would circumvent it.
That is why God defines day and night
When God made the expansion,light was set free from the Earths gravitational force due to the astronomical change in mass.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 3 by John, posted 07-15-2003 9:24 AM John has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 6 by Adminnemooseus, posted 07-15-2003 2:42 PM Newborn has not replied
 Message 7 by John, posted 07-15-2003 8:38 PM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 8 of 55 (46173)
07-15-2003 9:56 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by John
07-15-2003 8:38 PM


Thank you Beercules for some enlightment.
This approach of mine was very ad-hoc.
I will try a different approach another time.
Jonh it is possible for a particle to orbitate around another without falling to it ,that is not magic.
Beercules,I remember light and matter resulted of a symmetry breaking.
For the one that replyed before Jonh-Dont you know I am not English?

This message is a reply to:
 Message 7 by John, posted 07-15-2003 8:38 PM John has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 9 by compmage, posted 07-16-2003 2:53 AM Newborn has not replied
 Message 10 by John, posted 07-16-2003 9:54 AM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 13 of 55 (46442)
07-18-2003 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Parasomnium
07-17-2003 3:35 AM


Post removing
Please,close or remove this post.
The theory were made in precipitation.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 12 by Parasomnium, posted 07-17-2003 3:35 AM Parasomnium has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 14 by Parasomnium, posted 07-18-2003 5:26 PM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 15 of 55 (46472)
07-18-2003 8:16 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Parasomnium
07-18-2003 5:26 PM


Re: Post removing
Precipitation in my country is "precipitao".
It is an adjective that means "to do something in a run"or "think little about and talk fast"
There is someone in this forum that could explain that to you because he has a member in his family that comes from my country.
Hey,i will give you a link but tell me how to show links in this forum.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 14 by Parasomnium, posted 07-18-2003 5:26 PM Parasomnium has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 16 by Admin, posted 07-18-2003 8:30 PM Newborn has replied
 Message 20 by Parasomnium, posted 07-19-2003 4:51 AM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 17 of 55 (46480)
07-18-2003 8:51 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Admin
07-18-2003 8:30 PM


Re: Post removing

This message is a reply to:
 Message 16 by Admin, posted 07-18-2003 8:30 PM Admin has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 18 by NosyNed, posted 07-18-2003 9:20 PM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 21 of 55 (46497)
07-19-2003 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by Parasomnium
07-19-2003 4:51 AM


Re: Post removing
Paramsonium,why did you makes fun of God.You had not yet made scientific discussions in this thread but you are only saying there are errors.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 20 by Parasomnium, posted 07-19-2003 4:51 AM Parasomnium has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 23 by NosyNed, posted 07-19-2003 7:30 PM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 25 of 55 (46542)
07-20-2003 11:23 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by doctrbill
07-20-2003 12:21 AM


Oh,it was yours.
Ok,then considers the following situation.
People in ancient time wanna to state a prophecy that in 20th century a man will go to a software company by car.At the company he made a work in Notebook.(he needs to put the electric switch first)
So how will God say that?
It will probably be something like "In the last days a man will mount his hourse and will go to a house where he will put a papyrus in a mirror and will start to write on it.But first he will have to put an animals tail in the mouth of another.Then the Lord will help him with a lightening bolt." Ok it could not be something very important
but that is the only language they will understand.And a hourse IS NOT a car.
God only speaks in our language.
[This message has been edited by Newborn, 07-20-2003]

This message is a reply to:
 Message 24 by doctrbill, posted 07-20-2003 12:21 AM doctrbill has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 26 by Coragyps, posted 07-20-2003 11:46 AM Newborn has not replied
 Message 27 by doctrbill, posted 07-20-2003 4:40 PM Newborn has not replied
 Message 45 by doctrbill, posted 08-19-2003 11:06 PM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 29 of 55 (46914)
07-22-2003 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Parasomnium
07-21-2003 11:12 AM


Re: Post removing
You didnt understand the purpose of that reply after all Paramsonium.
The purpose is to tell you that you couldnt laugh at something without dicuss it(It applies to all the text even the most absurd ones).
In order to convince me you have to debate.
And please forget the beggining of the threat.I recognize it has many errors.Concentrate only on the link i provided.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 28 by Parasomnium, posted 07-21-2003 11:12 AM Parasomnium has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 30 by Admin, posted 07-22-2003 4:50 PM Newborn has not replied
 Message 31 by Parasomnium, posted 07-22-2003 5:14 PM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 34 of 55 (47784)
07-28-2003 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Beercules
07-25-2003 1:25 PM


response
Atoms already exist.He is only talking about fusion .

This message is a reply to:
 Message 33 by Beercules, posted 07-25-2003 1:25 PM Beercules has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 37 by Parasomnium, posted 07-29-2003 3:56 AM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 35 of 55 (47785)
07-28-2003 8:33 PM
Reply to: Message 33 by Beercules
07-25-2003 1:25 PM


response
Atoms already exist.He is only talking about fusion .

This message is a reply to:
 Message 33 by Beercules, posted 07-25-2003 1:25 PM Beercules has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 36 by Coragyps, posted 07-28-2003 9:01 PM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 41 of 55 (49032)
08-06-2003 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Rrhain
07-30-2003 7:48 AM


Re: response
Parasomnium, what if you post all absurdities you found in the link at once.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 40 by Rrhain, posted 07-30-2003 7:48 AM Rrhain has not replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 42 by Parasomnium, posted 08-14-2003 4:24 AM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 43 of 55 (51182)
08-19-2003 5:54 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by Parasomnium
08-14-2003 4:24 AM


Re: response
Here is a quote of the text(I preferred to make copy and paste)
When the 'deep' was created, it was a black hole. Under gravity, it collapsed and the temperature, pressure and density increased to the stage where thermonuclear reactions occurred and nucleosynthesis took place.
Intense light was everywhere inside the black hole. The collapse is considered to have lasted one day - and then, in a creative act of God, the black hole was converted into a white hole. The result was a rapid, inflationary expansion of space. This is when the waters above the expanse, the expanse and the waters below the expanse were differentiated. With expansion came cooling - and at about 3000 Kelvin, atoms would have been formed and the expanse would become transparent. Thermal radiation in the expanding expanse would be very uniform and the temperature would continue to drop. At the end of expansion, the temperature reached 2.76 kelvin (which we observe today).
Ok,Parasomnium,do you know what thermonuclear reactions are? and nucleosynthesis?
And i am surprised about another error of yours,I thought i were the foreign one but the phrase "would have been formed" is a passive form meaning a event in a past more antecipated than the told past.At least i learned that in the English class(dont remember if passive is the apropriate designation).He didnt said "Atoms were formed" neither "Atoms would form" neither "Atoms would be formed"

This message is a reply to:
 Message 42 by Parasomnium, posted 08-14-2003 4:24 AM Parasomnium has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 44 by crashfrog, posted 08-19-2003 6:49 PM Newborn has not replied
 Message 46 by doctrbill, posted 08-19-2003 11:13 PM Newborn has not replied
 Message 47 by John, posted 08-20-2003 1:24 AM Newborn has not replied
 Message 48 by Parasomnium, posted 08-20-2003 4:07 AM Newborn has not replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 49 of 55 (51618)
08-21-2003 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by doctrbill
08-19-2003 11:06 PM


Doctrbill,i mean that God only speaks in the language of the people to whom he gave inspiration.People of that time arent so advanced like we are and thus God will not tell them about white holes nor event horizons.I dont know why the big sound.For me it is very natural and logic what God did.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 45 by doctrbill, posted 08-19-2003 11:06 PM doctrbill has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 51 by doctrbill, posted 08-21-2003 10:01 PM Newborn has replied

  
Newborn
Inactive Member


Message 52 of 55 (53123)
08-31-2003 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by doctrbill
08-21-2003 10:01 PM


READ
PARASOMNIUM,I ALREADY GIVE AN ANSWER FOR YOUR QUESTION BUT YOU JUST DIDNT UNDERSTAND IT.IN THAT REPLY I SHOWED THAT THE AUTHOR WROTE THE WORD "WATER" AFTER THE PHRASE "NUCLEAR SYNTHESIS" .
THE PHRASE "ATOMS WOULD HAVE BEEN FORMED" REFERS TO THE LAST ONE.

This message is a reply to:
 Message 51 by doctrbill, posted 08-21-2003 10:01 PM doctrbill has replied

Replies to this message:
 Message 53 by doctrbill, posted 08-31-2003 10:57 PM Newborn has replied

  
Newer Topic | Older Topic
Jump to:


Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved

™ Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024