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Author Topic:   Logical fallicies in the bible
Brian
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Message 9 of 106 (52714)
08-28-2003 5:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Yaro
08-28-2003 4:37 PM


HI Yaro,
In my opinion, there are many things in the Bible that are an insult to our intelligence.
Imagine you are the leader of an army, there is this ONE man who is battling away with your troops and he eventually kills 1000 of your men by only using the Jawbone of an ass.
The bible treats its readers as if they are morons, any semi-conscious person would withdraw his troops after it became ovbious that ths guy was routing them. Perhaps after I lost 15 or 20 guys, I personally would have called up about 50 archers and pumped Samson full of wood.
The Bible is littered with these instances.
I also like the one in John Bright's 'History of Israel', when he informs us that the 2 million Hebrews that left Egypt would have formed a column 350 miles long, this would have stretched all the way across the Sinai desert and back to Egypt again.
Also with this column, it would take about a fortnight to move between any two points!
These are only problems if you take the text literally, and if you take them literally then you really don't know how or why the Bible was written
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 13 of 106 (52734)
08-28-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by Dan Carroll
08-28-2003 6:05 PM


"an insult to our intelligence" isn't really accurate,
Yes, I should have worded this more carefully.
Asking us to take these stories literally is an insult to our intelligence.
Brian

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Brian
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Message 70 of 106 (53638)
09-03-2003 4:23 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Yaro
09-02-2003 11:36 PM


Hi Yaro,
This part of your post is very interesting:
A true loving God, would understand mans confusion
The idea of an all loving God had been used to actually disprove that such an entity could exist.
God is perfect, everything about him is perfect or he wouldnt be God. But if God is all loving and all just then this is a contradiction, this entity cannot exist.
If God is all-loving then he would save everyone, regardless of their actions. If he is all-just then we all get exactly what we deserve.
A being with these attributes cannot exist because no matter how bad a life you led, if God really loved you he wouldn't send you to hell. Even on a human level, how many people have had a child who has been a terrible burden to them. Perhaps a drug addict who has lied, stolen from their family, and broken their mother's heart a million times, yet, in most cases, the mother keeps taking them back, the mother forgives them everytime. It doesn't matter how nasty a child has been, I cannot imagine that a mother would want that child to be tormented for eternity in Hell. A mother's love is far superior to God's love.
When applied to Christian theology, where God condemns His children to Hell for something as stupid as not believing in a man called Jesus, or because a woman ate a fruit 6000 years ago that she wasn't meant to, then one of the foundations of Chrsitan thought becomes exceedingly embarrassing.
Brian.

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Brian
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Message 79 of 106 (53895)
09-04-2003 5:40 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by phil
09-03-2003 11:06 PM


Hi,
Brian: God loves ALL of us. Christ died for ALL of us. But if one does not believe in Him and what he has done, then he will get what he deserves (Hell).
Why do we deserve Hell?
God IS like the earthly mother in your analogy. We have turned our backs on him, "broken his heart a million times," and He will keep taking us back.
As long as we stick to certain conditions of course, however a mother's love is unconditional, God doesn't come close.
However, if the earthly son just completely denied his mother's existence altogether, how could the mother take him back?
If the mother had the same powers as God has then she certainly would save her son, in fact, I believe she would save everyones' sons. You forget that at the end of time the child cannot just turn its back on God anymore, that child will be in front of Jesus as Jesus casts him into the pit for all eternity because that child of God finds it difficult to take some ancient myths seriously.
Also, you can say God condemns His children to Hell for not believing in Christ.
I can say this because it is basic Christian theology. I didn't make it up, it's all part of the 'Good News'.
but I would say we condemn ourselves if we do not believe.
I put this down more to God's inability to convince people of his existence than anything else. If people find it difficult to take God's Word seriously it is only because the Bible makes God 'a bad geographer, a bad chronologist, [and] a bad physicist. {Voltaire} Can you really blame people for not believing in the Bible, this isn't the middle ages, mankind has developed from these ignorant times, God is redundant.
He has given us the way out, the "free pass to Heaven," all we have to do is accept it. It is our fault if we do not.
Ok, what exactly is it we have to accept? Do we have to accept that 6000 years ago a woman ate a fruit when she had no idea she was doing anything wrong and then God got a bit annoyed and cursed mankind forever. Then he repents, God realises that he made a mistake by punishing everyone so he gives us 'a free pass to heaven.' But to set up this free pass we NEED to torture and murder his son, then we need to believe that this guy rose from the dead three days later and if we believe that in our hearts we get into heaven.
I am sorry but I cannot take this seriously at all. To me, it is so mindbogglingly absurd that I relegate it to the realms of fantasy. That's just me of course, you are entitiled to believe it if you want, you obviously see something in it that I don't, thats very cool with me.
I have studied the Bible for quite a long time, and when you take a critical approach to it for a little while you will find just how unreliable the bible actually is. If I cannot trust the bible to be an accurate record of history or science how can I trust it about anything else?
Brian.
PS, sorry if I come across a bit strong here, it is nothing personal, just my honest opinion.

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Brian
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Posts: 4659
From: Scotland
Joined: 10-22-2002


Message 91 of 106 (54602)
09-09-2003 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by phil
09-07-2003 2:33 PM


Hi Phil,
To let you know I am working on a reply, post it soon.
Brian

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