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Author Topic:   Logical fallicies in the bible
1Godbeliever
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Message 19 of 106 (53103)
08-31-2003 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by doctrbill
08-28-2003 10:34 PM


This is more generally a response to anyone questioning the validity of the Bible and it's contents. I offer the supposition that this book was written with the intent to inspire, engage, challenge and otherwise enhance the ability of all human-kind to reason. With every question or contradiction, the mind is already entertaining the thought of God. The Bible is subjective in every way. Allowing the reader to establish his or her own ideas about the constitution and reality of what is written. I was not there, nor can I pretend that I understand all things fully. But, I do have faith. And I believe that to be my idea and my interpretation alone.
I am new to this forum and have an opinion on just about everything. I look forward to many discussions.
Also. I encourage everyone to re-read or read for the first time, The Age of Reason by Thomas Paine.

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1Godbeliever
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Message 21 of 106 (53112)
08-31-2003 7:59 PM
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08-31-2003 7:46 PM


It is very difficult to write with accuracy about someone elses vision. There will be differences of opinion in how it occured, and differences in the way the story is translated, or passed down. I was not there when God said anything. I did not hear it but I am allowed the opportunity to believe. How can I change what I did not hear?

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1Godbeliever
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Message 23 of 106 (53125)
08-31-2003 8:55 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Yaro
08-31-2003 8:17 PM


For me? It's the book where I find Christ. A man. A prophet. A terrific role model. It would be great if the Bible offered proof of all it contains. We are a world of skeptics. Naturally. But, God wants us to find Him through faith. I believe we must understand that this book was written at a time when the "whole world" was only as far as a person could manage to travel. That, "all mankind" was literal to that time and this must be taken into consideration. It is hard to apply Leviticus to this day and time because I haven't slain a sheep today. It is a great book about the awesome power of God. But it was written by man. Man, being the most selfish, egocentric mammal, would find it difficult to keep it real when writing such a fabulous story. As a writer, would you not embellish your ass off?

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1Godbeliever
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Message 26 of 106 (53200)
09-01-2003 9:58 AM
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08-31-2003 9:17 PM


I believe God to be the Universal God and that there have been many great teachers and prophets. Each one sent at a different time and place according to the needs of humankind. I believe, for myself, that Christ is my conduit to God. Every great prophet has believed in the same God. However, their teachings on how to reach God were different. I hold to the principles of Christ. His teachings offer me the greatest, most peaceful path to God. It is a personal choice and I believe that is the only way to find Him. I follow no particular religion because my difficulties lie in the arrogance of man. I try to be very careful when man has taken credit for the creation of things that are of a godly nature.
To more directly answer your question..God is everyone's God. Not just the Christian God. I am a Christian because I believe Christ to be my path to God.

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1Godbeliever
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Message 27 of 106 (53204)
09-01-2003 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by DBlevins
08-31-2003 10:06 PM


Thomas Paine, in my opinion, offered us the chance to reason the validity of The Bible. He opened the door to caution the thoughts and ideas and writings of man. Was the Bible written by man just to scare God into everyone? To make humankind afraid and ashamed? Was this the intent? Maybe so. Much like these religious leaders today. Don't you think?
But, then came Christ. With Him came some clarity. He never once preached of destruction and horror. He only spoke of the peace and grace we receive from God. A much better tactic to sway an individual. My God is not the vengeful, horrible God portrayed in so much of The Bible. He is loving, forgiving, and serenely awesome!
I also agree that Mr. Paine was instrumental in keeping the idea of liberty going. He encouraged us to think for ourselves. He fought for that undeniable right. Where this country would be without him is another forum topic altogether!

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1Godbeliever
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Message 29 of 106 (53261)
09-01-2003 3:45 PM
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09-01-2003 10:48 AM


Why is God consistantly complicated? I choose this path because: sunsets, mountains, my children, talents, waterfalls, the road in front of me, the road behind me, the black night, the photos from Hubble, comets, Garden of the Gods, peaceful sleep, the smell of gardenia, honey, the water in the Bahamas, memory, love, a field of purple flowers, the full moon over Pikes Peak, snow, ice cold spring water, bumble bees.....the list is infinite. All I have to do is look around. I am without doubt. God is everywhere! It's very simple to me. I have all of the proof that I need.

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1Godbeliever
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Message 32 of 106 (53297)
09-01-2003 6:49 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by doctrbill
09-01-2003 3:59 PM


Thank you for the Bible Quotes. Jesus knew that His arrival (and departure for that matter) would cause a commotion, bring war, enlist endless debate. He knew that Christians would find their place difficult and not without ridicule and war. Luke 12:49 also supposes the Earth is kindled. Ready for his fire. Verse 51 also goes on to say that He is bringing division. He knew what His life was going to mean. He knew that families would be divided because of Him.
He was being kind to offer a warning to the Child Abusers. I find they deserve none of my consideration. But Jesus wanted them to turn from that evil.
Matthew 11 continues with Jesus offering peace and rest for those who wanted it. He was not hesitant to point out the evil of this world. But, through peace and love has been able to change billions of peoples lives.

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1Godbeliever
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Message 33 of 106 (53302)
09-01-2003 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by mark24
09-01-2003 4:33 PM


Mark,
Yes, the list is infinite. I could inflict my personal drama, but I will stand down. I don't believe we can REALLY know the power of God without knowing the power of evil.
Sherry

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1Godbeliever
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Message 54 of 106 (53511)
09-02-2003 1:53 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by doctrbill
09-02-2003 10:23 AM


Why are you so angry at a man you obviously do not know? I mean Christ, not myself as I am a woman. I have stated my believe that The Bible is subjective. Give the same bible quotes to 15 different people and you will get 15 different observations. Can't you see it is doing exactly what it was intended to do? Bring thoughtful, intelligent conversation about God. It excites me that the idea of God can do this. I'm not hear to preach but rather to share and to listen. And about me studying the History of the Christian Church, I am still paying for that education.

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