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Author Topic:   Some thoughts on moderation & banning
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Message 7 of 29 (536843)
11-25-2009 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Viv Pope
11-25-2009 10:28 AM


Re: Banning of dangerous ideas.
Hi Viv,

I've suspended you because you're posting very lengthy messages that don't seem to be part of any discussion, but rather are just presenting your own ideas. In the case of this thread about the use of banning by moderators you've posted a very lengthy message about the Pioneer anomaly. The thread is wrong, even the forum is wrong. You need to post messages like this somewhere in the science forums.

If you'd like to propose your own thread then you should do that over at Proposed New Topics.

If you want to push your book then you should begin a thread in The Book Nook.

But if you're going to join ongoing discussions then please discuss what is already being discussed.

I'll set your suspension to be one day.


--Percy
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Message 9 of 29 (577010)
08-26-2010 8:37 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Viv Pope
08-26-2010 2:45 PM


Re: Banning of dangerous ideas.
Hi Viv,

If you'd like to participate in discussions then please follow the Forum Guidelines. The rules you were having the most problems with were related to staying on topic, and you often ignored most of what others said in their replies to you.

We understand you feel you were treated unfairly by the physics community, but you can't complain about that in every thread you participate in. Each thread has a topic, and you're expected to stay on topic, something you were having great difficulty doing. Let it go, Viv. Talk about the science and stop talking about the people. You're not going to convince anyone you're right by convincing them that the other physicists were meanies. They could very well be meanies, but that doesn't have anything to do with the validity of your science. You'll only convince people you're right by talking about the science.


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Message 11 of 29 (577088)
08-27-2010 6:43 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by Bolder-dash
08-27-2010 6:34 AM


Re: Banning of dangerous ideas.
Bolder-dash writes:

His posts are no where near as contrary to the rules as what Dr. A posts every day, but you just happen to like him, so you let him do whatever he wants.

Dr Adequate gets suspended regularly.


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Message 13 of 29 (577264)
08-27-2010 8:17 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by archaeologist
08-27-2010 7:15 PM


Re: NOT SURE where to place this
archaeologist writes:

i want to protest this action as I am NOT in the science forums andmy understanding of the rules means i do not have to provide scientific evidence to support my points.

I don't know why you think this. That's not what the Forum Guidelines say.

Points should be supported by evidence and argument. This is from the Forum Guidelines:

  1. Points should be supported with evidence and/or reasoned argumentation. Address rebuttals through the introduction of additional evidence or by enlarging upon the argument. Do not repeat previous points without further elaboration. Avoid bare assertions.

What I have observed is that you keep repeating the same points over and over again without providing any evidence or argument. You've made very clear what you believe. Now you need to help people understand why you believe it. In case you missed it, be sure you read Message 63.

In the future, queries like this should be posted to Report discussion problems here: No.2. I've posted this link to you several times before, you might want to bookmark it this time.


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Message 16 of 29 (577635)
08-29-2010 8:41 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 7:43 PM


Re: NOT SURE where to place this
Hi Bolder-dash,

Your post was not erased, it was hidden. Click on Edit or Peek and you'll see that all the text is still there.

If you'd like to participate in a constructive discussion about moderation and enforcement then this is a good thread for that. If you just want to sound off then your posts will be hidden. I understand you're feeling frustrated, but your energy would be better directed toward keeping your focus on the topics of discussion threads.


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Message 20 of 29 (577751)
08-30-2010 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Bolder-dash
08-29-2010 9:54 PM


Re: NOT SURE where to place this
Bolder-dash writes:

But Percy, my post was EXACTLY about moderation, and banning-which is the exact topic of this thread.. It could not possibly be more clear. And yet, for some reason you still chose to hide it.

You're free to constructively discuss, but if you simply sound off with a litany of complaints then your posts will be hidden. This thread is for discussing possibilities concerning moderation and enforcement, not for complaining about how biased the moderators are and what a poor job they are doing.

I understand you're frustrated, but I think you would be best served by keeping your focus on providing constructive replies in the discussion threads.

If you're having problems in a discussion thread then the proper thread is Report discussion problems here: No.2.


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Message 21 of 29 (577776)
08-30-2010 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by archaeologist
08-30-2010 4:10 AM


Moderator Response
archeologist writes:

I just wish they would apply the rules to everyone evenly.

If you're having problems in a discussion, in this case where you believe moderators are not enforcing the Forum Guidelines fairly, then the place to raise such issues is in the Report discussion problems here: No.2 thread.

The place to raise your other issues is your Creation as Science thread.


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Message 29 of 29 (581452)
09-15-2010 5:03 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by archaeologist
09-15-2010 4:42 PM


Archaeologist Suspended One Week
Hi Archaeologist,

This is not a complaint thread. All we ask is that you follow the Forum Guidelines. I'm suspending you for another week.


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