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Author Topic:   When was the Tower of Babel Made?
John
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Message 19 of 56 (54169)
09-06-2003 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by dragonstyle18
09-06-2003 5:26 AM


Re: towe of babel is old
Humans were not building monolithic structures like towers 30,000 years ago.
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John
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Message 21 of 56 (54203)
09-06-2003 4:19 PM
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09-06-2003 2:53 PM


Re: towe of babel is old
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We don't know that for sure.
For all intents and purposes, we do know for sure. A tower would not only leave a huge footprint, but a structure like a tower would also require an organized to fund it. That would leave a footprint as well. There were not many people around 30k ago either.
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John
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Message 36 of 56 (54230)
09-06-2003 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by dragonstyle18
09-06-2003 6:16 PM


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Also to John, the project was organized
And that is exactly the problem. There is no evidence of any human culture having that high level of organization 30,000 years ago. In other words, you made up something for which there is no evidence.
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we don't know any of the dimensions of the building
No we, don't. However...
do you really maintain that a group of people banded together to build a pile of rocks a few feet high? See. If you argue that the tower was small enough that a few people could build it then you end up making the ridiculous.
And the story quite states that there was a city-- this alone is sufficient to disprove the 30,000 years ago idea-- and that they were building with fired brick and mortar. Cities and fired brick do not show up until long after 30,000 years ago. Cities also testify that we are dealing with a large number of people, not a dozen or two.
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John
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Message 40 of 56 (54241)
09-06-2003 7:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by dragonstyle18
09-06-2003 6:57 PM


That is pretty evasive. It obviously did not reach heaven, and that isn't the issue. The issue is whether it was large enough to leave a footprint. Sometimes it was pretty small and sometimes pretty big. How big?
A tower like this has no real purpose. It is a show of power. Now, people who are living off what they find on the ground-- as our ancestors were 30,000 years ago-- do not build structures like this. Building such a thing requires a society with an excess of wealth-- ie. food and time. The were no such societies 30,000 years ago.
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John
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Message 41 of 56 (54242)
09-06-2003 7:09 PM
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09-06-2003 7:05 PM


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By the way, this may be a little off topic but it is accepted that the most probable type of tower that babel was, was a ziggurat.
From what time period? Any from 30,000 bce? Nope.
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John
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Message 43 of 56 (54246)
09-06-2003 7:17 PM
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09-06-2003 7:10 PM


Babylon was built using fired-brick around 5000 BC. This is the earliest use of fired brick which I have found. The mortar isn't as much of a problem. People had been gluing things together with mud or bitumen for some time. Bitumen was used as mortar about 8000 BC, but was used to connect stone heads to shafts earlier that 38,000 BC. So, 'sometime later' puts you at about 5-6kya. This is not good for the genetic diversity line you've been towing.
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John
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Message 54 of 56 (54298)
09-07-2003 12:14 AM
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09-06-2003 8:52 PM


That's nice. Reply with a mislabeled quote. Lying for God... geez...
EvC Forum: The flood and Ancient Chinese Documents
But in all fairness, it was the site, where you quote originated, that mislabeled the article. You just spread the love.
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