Passover problems in the Gospels

you stated that the scriptures say that the isrealites were to 'eat the passover at the end of the day on the 14th'Can you show me which scripture you are reading which says to eat the passover at the 'end of the day on the 14th'? ok so if the new day begins at sundown, then the lambs could just as well have been eaten at the beginning of that day...at sundown.... why would they wait until the folllowing morning to eat? What would they eat at sundown (which is generally the time people eat their evening meal) on the 14th if not the passover lamb?keep in mind too that the angel was passing over houses where the lambs had already be slain and their blood was sprinkled on the doorposts. So seeing they were not to leave any of the animal over until the morning, this implies that the lambs must have been eaten during the night before the angel passed over the houses, yes? thats right... yet the FOUB clearly states that for 'seven days you will eat unfermented bread'
14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th, 20th & 21st....this is 8 days yet the scriptures you posted said 'you will eat ULB seven days from the 15th - 21st
So there is one day unaccounted for.... what did they eat on this day? Exactly. 1 day was to eat the passover lamb
7 days was to eat the unfermented cakes. If they at the lamb on the 15th, then the seven days of UFB would take them to the 22nd, yet the scriptures say they were to eat UFB from the 15th - 21st. Exodus 12:18If we can come to a conclusion on these 3 questions, then we can move onto your if we need to. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

ok hERICtic, you win... i'll address what you posted.Your link info states
And it is not permissible to slay it during any period of the light, but during the period bordering on the evening, and let them eat it at the time of the evening, until the third part of the night, and whatever is left over of all its flesh from the third part of the night and onwards, let them burn it with fire . . . (Jubilees 49:1-2, 10-13, The Apocrypha and Pseudepigrapha of the Old Testament, R.H. Charles)According to this, the lambs were not to be eaten in any part of the 'light' so eating after the sun came up was out of the question.You agree the day began in the evening. If the day began at dusk, and the above states that the lambs were to be eaten before any light appeared, then they must have been eaten sometime after sundown on the 14th. Yes?

where does it state that?Please show the scripture you are refering to becaues i havnt seen it. Did you count the number of days in totat that i posted previously?14th - 15th - 16th - 17th - 18th - 19th - 20th- 21st.How many days does this make?8? Yes.The FOUB was said to run for 7 days. The scriptures say the festival was to begin on the 15th and end on the 21st. That is seven days yet when you actually count the number of days from the 14th, we have 8 days.the conclusion is that the passover lamb was eaten on the 14th ( before the angel passed over the houses) as the scriptures say, then the 7 day FOUB was held after the 'Passover Lamb' was eaten on the 14th.You keep saying it was eaten on the 15th, but i dont see how it could be.

every day started at sundown including the 14th... now considering the 14th is said to be the day the passover is to be eaten, i dont see why everyone is saying its the 15th.

so you ignored the reference I made to the Kirtite jews and the Samaritans who believe 'between the two evenings' means the time between dusk and darkness...the time when as the sungoes down there is still an hour or so of light. If this was the time to eat the lamb, it means the lamb was eaten at sundown at the beginnign of the 14th. It also explains why the angel could passover the houses at midnight and the blood was already on the doorposts and it also explains how the lambs could be finished before the sunup.Who's time frame is correct? As we dont know for sure, we cant be dogmatic about it. The Jews themselves are not in agreement about it. im going to say this for the last time as i've repeated it several times nowThere are two celebrations.The Passover Lamb is the first celebration - It was a 1 night celebration where the sacrificial lamb was eaten before the angel passed over. Exodus 12:6. It was eaten before they left egypt.The Festival of UFB is the second celebration - It was a 7 day celebration from the 15th - 21st where only unfermented bread was to be eaten. Levit 23:6-11. This was after they left egypt to celebrate 'coming out of egypt'They were two different celebrations for two different reasons.
That is why when you count from the 14th - 21st you actually get, not a 7 day celebration but a 8 day celebration.They are two celebrations combined into one.

well thats what some jews say but they dont all agree so it could be the 15th or it could be the 14th.

the fact is that the term 'between the two evenings' is not 100% agreed upon by the jews themselves, so it cannot be stated one way or the other.Really, the best evidence for when the possover was celebrated is found in the scriptures. If you look at Leviticus 23 you'll see it leaves no room for the passover to be celebrated on the 15th. It clearly states that passover was the 14th and it was to be followed on the 15th by the unfermented cakes. Another scripture which clearly shows when the passover was eaten is Deuteronomy 16:6 where it says 'as soon as the sun sets'. The sun set is the beginning of the new day. I agree that this means sundown or towards then end of the day... but you do realise that the day 'began' at sundown, not in the morning. Nor does anywhere in that whole chapter state that this ceremony was to be performed and completed on the same day. If it began in the morning and was still going at sundown (the beginning of the new day) then it was being performed over 2 days, not 1. This scripture does no such thing for the reason that the evening sacrifice occured on a new day... not the same day. Remember; The new day began at sundown. I can see that you are using your logic and you can see that something is not right.The only information that tells us that passover was the 15th is non biblical. The only information that tells us that passover was the 14th is the bible.The explaination is that the bible is correct and always has been. The new day began on the 14th...this was passover and it was between the two evenings (between sundown and twilight) that the lamb was eaten. A little later, the angel passed over the houses at midnight. In the morning they were set free and it was still the 14th.when they got out of Egypt, for 7 days they celebrated their freedom with the Festival of unfermented bread. This bread is what they took out of egypt to eat upon their freedom. They did not have time to leaven their bread so they ate unfermented breads for 7 days and this celebration continues today. this is not an issue at all because the lamb was to be eaten with bitter herbs & unleavened bread, not because it was a part of the FOUB, but because it symbolized the perfect sacrifice that was to come. The passover celebration pre figured the sacrifice that the Messiah would make on behalf of mankind. Leaven symbolically represented imperfection and because the Messiah was Perfect, the bread had to be unleavend to represent his perfect body.You my recall Jesus said "eat this bread, it represents my body which is to be given in your behalf" Luke 22:19.I keep saying this point over and over, but i'll say it again, the passover festival was one celebration. The FOUB was something different. Both were celebrations for different reasons.the Passover - The angel of Death passed over the houses, saving the lives of the isrealites
The FOUB - Deliverence from Egyption bondage, freedom. Of course he did. The gospels clearly state that Jesus ate the passover so the lambs must have been slain, cooked and eaten. Jesus did this with his diciples in the upper room and that was the last meal he ate. I have greatly desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer. Luke 22:15.Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

you forget that the scriptures say that 'none of the passover meal is to be left over till the next morning'
Exodus 12:10 And YOU must not leave any of it over till morning, but what is left over of it till morning YOU should burn with fireSo this meal is not to be confused with the FOUB which began on the 15th. well as i've mentioned, the Kiraite jews and the Samaritans both beleive that that 'between the two evenings' is the time between when the sun is no longer visible on the horizon and darkness sets in.here is the reference that very ceremony you are quoting from states that it was to run over 7 days... so how do you fit 2 lambs into 7 days if a lamb had to be offered at morniing and evening for 7 days? Im sure that would amount to 14 lambs. i think you will find that this is the point at issue...when exctly does the new day begin!does it begin as soon as the sun begins to decsend after noon as you are suggesting?or does it begin when it has completely dissapeared from the horizon and light is still in the sky?or does it begin in the darkness of night???I am taking the view that it begins when the sun has set on the horizon and there is still light in the sky...this is in harmony with my reference to the 'commentary on the Old Testament' No, it doesnt mean that at all. You may recall one of my earlier posts where i said the preparations were made on the 13th....then when the sun set on the horizon and the new day began, now the 14th, the celebration began and the lambs were eaten between the two evenings...while there was still light in the sky.this has always been my position.You keep saying that the evening meant that it was the 'end' of the day... its not. Its the beginning of the day.
Luke said that preparations were being made for the passover....he was speaking of the 13th. Then at sunset, they ate the meal in the upper room, this is now the beginnign of the 14th.anyway, we've been going over and over this and im getting tired of repeating myself.There is no problem with the account in the gospels and the timing of the passover. Jesus and the diciples at early in the evening on the 14th and not long before the following evening (on the same day) jesus was killed. he was killed on the passover day because he was buried before the sun had set (on the same day)