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achristian1985
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Message 42 of 68 (547879)
02-23-2010 3:42 PM


Are UFOnauts ET's, or something else?
The conclusion, therefore, is that while there is nothing inconceivable about visits to Earth by extraterrestrial civilizations in the past, even the near past, there is no acceptable evidence that it has happened, and the evidence deduced for the purpose by various enthusiasts is, as far as we can tell, utterly worthless.57
This is no place for an exhaustive review of UFO cases, but a brief summary of the facts is instructive. There is very little uniformity. UFOS are shaped like discs, spheres, cylinders, cigars, dumbbells, ovals, eggs, diamonds, cones, parachutes, tops, mushrooms, and hamburgers; all of these shapes occur singly or in groups. They range in size from a few inches to more than a mile in length, and travel fast or slow, with or without undulation, wobbles, zigzags, or sudden changes of direction. They are smooth, hairy, knobby, shiny, dull, every color of the rainbow, and some equipped with optional landing gear, wheels, tripods, doors, and windows. They are completely silent or else they hum whoosh, hiss, flutter, whine, whistle, beep, pulse, buzz, vibrate, bang, blast, roar, or explode thunderously. They stop internal combustion engines, interfere with radio and television transmissions, shock, burn, and paralyze people, and cause them to lose consciousness; or not as the case may be. In short, they are all things to all people. Since 1946 there seems to have been acceleration in both interest and in manifestations.58
The non-uniformity of UFOs is in complete opposition to the necessary mass production characteristics of any civilization with a technology advanced enough to visit us. Notice also the detrimental effects and the individuality of perception of these objects by the observers. Finally, notice the acceleration in manifestations since 1946- the reason for this will be explained presently.
We conclude that our considerations must, of necessity, start with the uncomfortable realization that UFOs have first no physically understandable means of getting here.61
The observed characteristics of the occupants of UF0s violate the conclusions of the process of evolution in accordance to natural laws as applied as a necessary explanation for their (the occupants) existence. Also, it is considered impossible by the laws of physics for UFOs to be from outside our solar system, and all known facts of our solar system stand in total opposition to an extraterrestrial origin from somewhere within our solar system.
More seriously, however, there is a significant void in Nicap's file of radar cases, despite the eighty-three sightings it lists. There is not a single sighting by the radars that should be the most likely to spot UFOs, if they really were extraterrestrial spacecraft. These are the radars especially designed to keep a watch on space and to detect even tiny objects. They form a network known as the Space Detection and Tracking System (Spadat), operated by the North American Air Defense Command (Norad). Construction of Spadats was begun shortly after the Russians launched Sputnik 1, to keep a continuous count on every object in space in the vicinity of the earth, especially foreign satellites and spacecraft....
This electronic fence is so sensitive that it has detected objects its small as a six-inch-long metal strap which went into orbit during the launch of an early U.S. satellite....
This raises the important question: Why are UFOs never spotted in space by the radar network designed to monitor the presence of every spacecraft in the vicinity of the earth, but are detected only by ground and airborne radars that can see targets within the earth's atmosphere? 64
Why? Because UFOs are not extraterrestrial in origin!
Most UAOs (Unidentilied Aquatic Objects) and UFOs could never possibly have originated on or near our own planet....
This expression actually means that (in a case such as this) the phenomenon is "natural" to this earth.... On the other hand, the suggestion that they might be indigenous to our upper atmosphere, or to the immediate vicinity of the earth in inner-space? ... -is of a much higher order of probability.65
So the most interesting and productive of recent analyses all seem to be following, and adding to, Jung's conjectures that the phenomenon has a psychic origin. 69
Options Disable Smilies in This Post. Show Sign Some of the observed actions of UFOs violate the laws of physics- primarily the laws of inertia. For instance, it is impossible for a physical object to be going 20,000 miles per hour and make a 90-degree turn, or completely reverse course instantly, as some UFOs have been observed to do. But it would be entirely possible if UFOs were the manifestations of spiritual beings- the fallen angels.
We have drawn our extraterrestrial humanoid data from two sources: contemporary UFO sightings and historical events as described in tile Bible. Now if both sources of these similar data are indeed telling us the truth, it is virtually certain that they are, in fact, talking about the same, or closely related, phenomena- as we have earlier implied.70
The above footnote is from a book written by an author who is not (at least according to the content of his book) a Christian and therefore does not have "an ax to grind, so to speak, in making this statement. His observation is entirely an objective evaluation.
One such potentially telling effect sometimes reported is a dissolving, or disappearing, of the observed object virtually into thin air- a kind of switching off," as it were. Sometimes, the object may instantaneously reappear again later- " switch back on"- and then still later, once again disappear. 71
... angels of Satan, who, as we have before shown, are not unclothed spirits, but possess spiritual bodies which they can render visible and tangible at will.72
For the whole aerial surroundings of our planet are densely peopled with a hostile race of beings unutterably superior in wisdom and power to ourselves; having had during a vast number of years every conceivable experience of the weak points of humanity; possessing the incalculable advantage of being themselves invisible, though as spiritual intelligences they are probably able, not merely to judge of us by our words and outward expression of countenance, but even to read the innermost thoughts of our- heart; cooperating with the most perfect and never-failing organization; and lastly, directed by a leader of consummate wisdom and skill, who is assisted by powerful princes, and finds his subjects so numerous, that, if we are to lay any stress on the word "legion" in the memorable narrative of Luke, he is able to spare some six thousand of them to guard one miserable captive (Luke viii. 30) .75
For until the Devil be deposed from the throne of the air, it is likely that he will exercise control, to a great extent at least, over atmospheric phenomena. 76
Footnotes 75 and 76 are taken from a book written over one hundred years ago, long before "UFOs" came on the scene.
(4) Seeing that angels can so materialize to themselves bodies as to eat the food of men (Gen. xviii. 8), to draw Lot by their hands (Gen. xiv. 10, 16), etc., there need be no difficulty in believing them able to perform other bodily functions, if they so wish.
If Matthew xxii. 30 be urged to the contrary, it may be pointed out that our Lord states what is the condition of things "in heaven"; He does not allege that angels cannot violate that order, and act otherwise on earth. Whilst in Jude, verses 6,7, we are plainly told that there have been "angels who kept not their own principality, but left their proper habitation"; and it is explained that Sodom and Gomorrah, in going after strange flesh, sinned "like these" angels.
The thoughtful, we say, will consider these facts and scriptures; and will not fail to note that this abhorrent and terrible subject is of practical moment, inasmuch as the Son of God has forewarned us that the days before His appearing again on earth will present a true likeness to the days of Noah and to the state of Sodom in the days of Lot. 77
If we are in the last days, the fallen angels will be more and more active, even to the extreme extent of assumption of physical bodies and intercourse with humans. The movies 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' and 'Rosemary's Baby' are a reflection of preparation for this.
In addition to all of the preceding evidence, there are documented correlations of unusual statistical aberrations, which are common to people involved in the occult, demonology, parapsychology, and UFOo1ogy. Such documentation and further corroborative evidence linking UFOs and fallen angels may be found in an excellent book on the subject, entitled UFOs: What on Earth is Happening?
But there is another correlation definitely linking UFOs to the fallen angels.
It is, however, a startling fact that the present disposal of the regular spiritual powers of the world seems to be entirely in the hands of Satan. This is evident front the Eighty-Second Psalm, as well as from the verse of Isaiah; since in either passage the spiritual rulers are stigmatized without any reserve as rebels against God. 78
... and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I go forth, lo, the Prince of Greece shall come. But I will tell thee that which is inscribed in the writing of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me against these, but Michael your prince. (Dan. 10:20?21)
At that time shall arise Michael, the great prince who has charge of your people. (Dan. 12:1 RSV)
From the whole region of the vast rebel empire there came forth but one loyal prince of God to aid him in his conflict with the powers of darkness. This faithful archangel was Michael: nor is it difficult to account for his presence in the regions of air. For he is described to Daniel as "your prince," and afterwards as "the great prince which standeth for the children of' thy people" (Dan x. 21; xii. 1). It appears, then, that he is the spiritual ruler of Israel; and so, that when God chose a people upon earth for Himself, He took them out or the jurisdiction (Acts xxvi. 18; Col.1.13) of Satan, and appointed one of His own princes to govern and protect them. Hence with fierce enmity the Prince of Darkness seems to have matched himself against Michael, and to have directed in person his desperate assaults upon the alienated principality. One of his victories is recorded in the Book of Chronicles, where we are told how he stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel (1 Chron. xxi. 1). 79
All of the countries in the world are ruled over by fallen angels Under Satan, except one: Israel. Israel alone is ruled by one of the faithful angels, the archangel Michael. If UFOs are the manifestations of' fallen angels, then we should expect a direct correlation of UFO activity with military conflict involving Israel.
Since 1946 there seems to have been acceleration in both interest and in manifestations (of UFOs). 80
` Serious UFO research groups, who tirelessly sift, sort, and systematize reports, will never forget 1973. Autumn of that year staged the biggest UFO flap since bush pilot Ken Arnold captured headlines in 1947 with his sightings of nine "saucer?like things" over Mt. Rainer, Washington. The tornadic effect of 1973's flap was to stun a nation already troubled by Watergate and Middle East crisis. At its peak, October 1781
As the reader probably knows, the 1973 Middle East crisis was the Arab?Israeli conflict known as the "October War." Most persons even vaguely familiar with UFOs know that 1947 was a banner year. Israel became a nation again on May 14, 1948, following much prior conflict. I did not look for UFO statistics for the time of the other two major Israeli conflicts, 1956 and 1967, but I have no doubt that such statistics will likewise show increased UFO activity.
Edited by achristian1985, : the server doesn't like hyphens and skews them into ?'s; which obscures the meaning.

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achristian1985
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Message 44 of 68 (547883)
02-23-2010 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by New Cat's Eye
02-23-2010 3:50 PM


Re: Rule #6
I boiled out the excess, leaving only relevent content in the post. Summary: 1. The Bible indicates that fallen angels live in the Earth's atmosphere. 2. Atmospheric and near-space radars only show UFO's in the Earth's atmosphere, not outside it. 3. Bible says only one nation on Earth is NOT under Satan's authority: Israel. 4. Therefore (if UFO's are the physical manifestations of angels & NOT extraterrestrial), there should be a direct reflection of warfare involving Israel; and UFO activity. 5. There is.
Edited by achristian1985, : Left a p out of atmosheric. Went to alhabet store and got one.

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achristian1985
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Message 46 of 68 (547891)
02-23-2010 5:10 PM
Reply to: Message 45 by Hyroglyphx
02-23-2010 4:36 PM


Re: Rule #6
1. Daniel: "Michael your (Israel's) prince". Regardless of their condition.
2. "the principalities of the air".
3. Demons and angels are not the same thing, two entirely different (Greek) words are used when refferring to them.
4. Correlation is between warfare involving Israel (and Arabs); and UFO activity- not UFOs battling Israel.
5. You don't even know the difference between demons and angels. Who is ignorant of the Bible?

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achristian1985
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Message 53 of 68 (548355)
02-27-2010 1:35 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Hyroglyphx
02-23-2010 8:54 PM


Re: Are UFOnauts ET's, or something else?
"Profanity is the first resort of the illiterate"- Mark Twain
Sorry you have such a limited vocabulary.
http://www.amessageforthehumanrace.org
Chapter 5

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achristian1985
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Message 57 of 68 (548410)
02-27-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by xongsmith
02-27-2010 3:16 AM


Re: Are UFOnauts ET's, or something else?
Touche`

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achristian1985
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Message 58 of 68 (548411)
02-27-2010 2:48 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Hyroglyphx
02-27-2010 9:54 AM


Re: Are UFOnauts ET's, or something else?
If you will send me an e-mail address to mine (achristian1985@gmail.com); I will send you a reply with the relevant chapter attached.
Strange: most of the time I get criticized for my posts being too long and too detailed. Now it's the other direction. Hard to balance a teeter-totter when someone keeps moving the fulcrum.
Sincerely, achristian

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achristian1985
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Message 59 of 68 (548416)
02-27-2010 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by anglagard
06-21-2006 3:21 PM


Knowledge led me to the Truth, and I have been endeavoring to convey that Truth by finding the correlations in knowledge. Go ahead, shoot the messenger. Much more scientific details have been uncovered in some relevant areas in the past 30 years. I am not a specialist: other, more knowledgeable persons will have to convey such specifics.
I think it is fair to say that many members are motivated by a desire to take pride in being the most knowledgeable about the particular piece of the puzzle that interests them the most. A specialist is someone who knows more and more about less and less until finally they know everything about nothing. Some members have no interest in seeing how their piece fits in, nor about what the complete picture looks like. Anyone who is a member is capable and informed enough to see what direction our world is headed. Can anyone or even all of us change that course? No amount of scientific knowledge, industrial technology, and/or religious (either theist or atheistic) zeal can alter it.
Is there any member who doesn’t have some cognizance, however vague, that the Bible predicts this? Surely this is mere coincidence, and no reason to pull our heads out of the sand?
When teaching anyone a language you first show them the picture, and then the word associated with it. The Old Testament is the pictures.
There was a man named Noah, who built an ark. His building of the ark, and his entering into it, delivered him from the flood.
Two thousand years ago another man- the last Adam- stated that He would build His church and that if we let Him, He would make us the materials for this.
The flood is coming. It’s time to find and enter the lifeboat. There is no more time to argue about icebergs, or plumbing, or to compare staterooms.
My prayers for you, my fellow human beings.

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achristian1985
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Message 65 of 68 (548462)
02-27-2010 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Hyroglyphx
02-27-2010 4:07 PM


NOT!
Nothing to do with UFO's b 4: saw obvious correlation. Same post to each of 4 forums I was communicating in. If that is spam, coyote, then guilty. This is my final and only post. When those events happen, then maybe you will reconsider. It didn't take Noah over 100 years to build the ark. It took that long for him to make sure everyone of his generation heard the warning- so that they would be without excuse. So also yourselves. Bye, got a church/ark to help build, so this age can be wrapped up.

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