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bluescat48 Member (Idle past 4219 days) Posts: 2347 From: United States Joined: |
3 fav female comedians:
Lucille BallGilda Radner Toss up between Carol Burnett & Rosemarie 5 fav comedy films The Long Trailer (1954)Operation Petticoat (1959) Blazing Saddles (1974) Young Frankenstein (1974) Murder By Death (1976) Honorable mention:Sons of the Desert (1935?) Back to the Future (1985) The Parent Trap (1961)
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hotjer Member (Idle past 4574 days) Posts: 113 From: Denmark Joined: |
I have no read nor watched the video but I just want to share my thoughts you.
I definitely also think men have more humor than women in the big picture. Some intuitive thoughts; humor is some sort of defence mechanism and a way to socialize. Through the history of the human species men have been the dominating gender -> "women in the kitchen and making sandwiches structure". The importance of being able to show humor was more important for men than women, since they socialized and competed with other men to gain glory, power, moneyz, and girls. If the woman can make good sandwhiches and make us comfortable; then she did her job well. Shortly said; I think this is a result of social structures affecting our attitude. To be more "extreme" you could probably say there is an evolutionary imperative to why men have more humor than women.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
I just hate trying to pick top fives! If I must (in no particular order and subject to revision every time something else comes to mind):
Shaun of the DeadSouth Park Time Bandits Life of Brian ..... Erm, you know - it's much easier to think of funny series than funny films. It's a simpler matter to sustain comedy for half an hour than for a full film. Some of the best there have to be Spaced, The Day Today and Brass Eye, Futurama, Red Dwarf, the Young Ones, Peep Show (I could go on for a while here). A preponderance of male writers, now that I think about it.
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caffeine Member (Idle past 1054 days) Posts: 1800 From: Prague, Czech Republic Joined: |
explanation (since you're czech) Funnily enough, while I'm not, the name originally given to Debbie Downer (Matousek) is. Unsure where to continue from that irrelevance, except to point out an upcoming comedy film I really want to see: Edit: Well that didn't work. How on earth do you embed a video? Edited by caffeine, : No reason given.
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4972 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Anyways, I am curious about non-American opinions too. Any female comedians you would like to list? C'mon, Brit comedy must have bowl-fuls! (I've noticed nobody says "comedienne" any more - I assume that’s because it's not PC, although I never saw the announcement.) To be honest, I can't think of many really great female stand-up comedians. Victoria Wood stands out by a mile for me as an original and really funny stand-up comedian. There are several other good ones, but I think it’s a shame that they often tend to rely too heavily on single issues, such as Jo Brand (feminism) or Shappi Khorsandi (her Iranian ethnicity). They’re very good at what they do but I think it's a shame they’re not a bit broader in their topics. Maybe it’s a confidence thing. Or maybe it reflects badly on the public’s attitude to female comedians — they have to justify why they’re on stage. There are a lot of great female comic writers and performers. Julia Davies is probably my favourite for writing and staring in the fantastic dark comedy, Nighty Night. This has just reminded me of something. There’s an excellent TV series here that you may not be aware of outside UK called QI (Quite Interesting). It’s a humorous quiz show hosted by Stephen Fry and contested each week by 4 different comedians. In one episode, 2 of the contestants were (unusually) female, and so they asked the question: "why are there so few female comedians on that show and on TV in general?" The 2 female contestants, Sandi Toksvig and Ronni Ancona, launched into a long discussion as to the reasons for this, and after a couple of minutes another of the contestants, Jack Dee, said, Is it because once they start talking you can’t shut them up?
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I've got a pet theory that humour is a subtle mode of communication and clique building that men use to form in and out groups.
Women have their methods of doing that e.g. or (i.e depending on your taste) bitching.
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aiki Member (Idle past 4322 days) Posts: 43 Joined: |
So the humour a group of men would use to define and exclude an outgroup would not be defined as bitchiness then?
For what it's worth, I feel motivated to form friendships with people who are kind and have a sense of humour that sparks with mine. I would not wish to spend any time with anyone (male or female) who's bitchy - for a start, they could not be trusted. Those who feel an overiding pressure to join in with a dominant group/avoid an 'undesirable' group might feel differently. For me friendships are about individual connections, not group membership.
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4972 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
Fat comics get lots of women... lots. It's confidence they seek. In my experience, good looking nerdy comics who play up that shy guy shit strike out much more than over weight, or not that attractive, comics who are confident on stage and are cocky. Women LOVE cockyness and arrogance (not overly done though). Are you familiar with Michael McIntyre? He's been the popular comedy sensation over here for the past couple of years. He's not exactly edgy, but I think he has a very accessible and fresh style of observational comedy. Anyway, women really seem to love his humour. I went to see him last year and there were a lot of women in the audience. I've seen many of them literall crying with laughter at his performances. I suppose he's a fairly average looking guy and a bit on the stocky side. So, I guess you know what you're talking about.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I feel motivated to form friendships with people who are kind and have a sense of humour that sparks with mine. However, most homour, at the heart has some body falling over a banana and getting laughed at.
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aiki Member (Idle past 4322 days) Posts: 43 Joined: |
I like my humour a bit weirder than that but have to admit to laughing a great deal at the bit when David Mitchell had a typewriter thrown at him from offscreen in the last (?) series of That Mitchell and Webb Look. It's different, though, when you know it's not a real typewriter.
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aiki Member (Idle past 4322 days) Posts: 43 Joined: |
People like Eddie Izzard and Bill Bailey aren't most people's idea of top totty to look at either, but both are very appealing to women. Being funny in their wildly imaginative but gentle way is worth a lot in its own right, but it also suggests that they're a) very clever and b) good-natured.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
Sure they can act, and Applegate has been the victim of many of my sexual dreams but, that doesn't mean they're funny. Applegate as a clear sense of humor and I thought she was funny in that movie. Diaz just has a bubbly attitude, and Blair, well, nevermind. I just think these caricatures aren't valid. Lucille Ball for her time was a riot. Sure, by today's standards we wouldn't laugh as hard because we might view it as dated and cheesy, but she has true comedic talent. And she's not a bull-dyke or ugly. Pretty much all the girls cast on MAD or SNL, with a few exceptions, are all funny. Would I say that females tend to worse comics than men in general? Yes, I would. But that women can't be funny is of course absurd.
Early, early 80's MTV Garafolo I actually liked, but yeah as she got older she became obnoxious. Agreed. I once liked her and Cho, but no longer.
Very few can pull it off. I actually find Bill Maher not funny at all, or Dennis Miller. They come off as pretentious too. You hit the nail on the head. I can't stand either of them.
When you heard Bill Hicks rant about politics you knew he was speaking from the soul, because it was a very narrow view. Miller and Maher do hack left/right jokes that is being done at all the open mic's by new-comers. I agree, it takes a subtlty that I can't quite identify and put in to words, but somehow when Hicks did it it didn't sound as genuinely spiteful, which is in contrast to Maher and Miller. That sounds strange because he's an overtly brash comic, but I didn't feel condenscended the way I do with Garafolo, Miller, and Maher.
Yeah I've felt that too. I've heard he's one of those actors that has to be deeply into the project or he just does that "try to hard" thing. Man on the Moon and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind are amazing films and amazing performances from him though. I'm happy for him in being able to branch out and not be typecasted as a goofball in every movie. His sense of comedy is genuine and he's usually funny, just sometimes overdone.
quote: That's classic. "And if he's been murdered by Crystal Meth tweekerrrrrrrssss..... Well, then we're shit out of luck." One thing I've noticed with comics in general (not always the case) is that they are people driven by the approval of others. If you watch the first season of Last Comic Standing, Dat Phan tried so hard that he failed. And while he made me laugh, he should NOT have won that thing, ESPECIALLY when he recycled the same routine every show. He played for a new audience each show, so he got away with it, but the other comics were like, "Oh, for fuck's sake, are you serious?!?!?" There is only so much you can use self-deprecating humor before it wears thin. Yeah, if you're the fat guy, it's funny to hear you make fun of yourself once or twice in a set. If you're the Asian guy it is funny to hear you exaggerate an accent, once or twice. But not in every routine. It's a played out schtick and it looks desperate, like you don't actually have any real material. And then there's Carlos Mencia (MenStealia) who's the biggest hack in show-business. The man jacked Ari Shaffir, Joe Rogan, even Bill Cosby. No respect. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given. "Political correctness is tyranny with manners." -- Charlton Heston
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Jumped Up Chimpanzee Member (Idle past 4972 days) Posts: 572 From: UK Joined: |
People like Eddie Izzard and Bill Bailey aren't most people's idea of top totty to look at either, but both are very appealing to women. Being funny in their wildly imaginative but gentle way is worth a lot in its own right, but it also suggests that they're a) very clever and b) good-natured. Important Note to Self: Be intelligent and good-natured around women, and I might finally get lucky one of these days!
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
this is easily the best science'n'religion debate site I've encountered. Everybody says that Percy definately hit a homerun here with the software.
I have learned loads from this site, but I don't feel that my scientific background is strong enough to meaningfully contribute to any great extent. It doesn't matter. Especially for the non-science topics. Having more diverse opinions makes this place better. A female Brit is a new addition...
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
How on earth do you embed a video? Right under the number of views is a button called "Embed" that opens up a line of code that you can copy and paste into the reply box.
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