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Author Topic:   Dinosaurs: a question for ID advocates
nwr
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Message 11 of 17 (572885)
08-08-2010 10:52 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Minnemooseus
08-08-2010 3:47 AM


Re: Criticism of 'failed experiment' hypothesis...
Like I said back in message 2, my impression is that the "hard core" of the ID movement are theistic evolutionists that accept the mainstream old Earth and the geologic record of what happened.
I'm not so sure that's correct. It might apply to some in the ID movement. However, many of them seem to be dead set against any kind of evolution (including theistic evolution). I'll agree that they accept the geologic record.
To illustrate my point, consider New book announcement: William A. Dembski and Denyse O’Leary slam Christian Darwinism in forthcoming book.

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nwr
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Message 15 of 17 (572987)
08-09-2010 10:40 AM
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08-09-2010 10:06 AM


Re: ID and extinction
emr writes:
Surely that can't be true, since evolution by natural selection can be observed happening in a short space of time, albeit on a small scale - that's impossible to deny.
Well, yes, they usually admit to small scale evolution, which they call "micro evolution." But they deny that it has any creative power. They see it, and mutation, as processes of natural deterioration (something akin to rusting).
I guess if you have that point of view, and if you view the mythical Garden of Eden as an ideal, then whenever you see weeds taking over your own garden you see this natural deterioration in effect. It's an example of how one's prior attitudes and beliefs can distort one's observations.

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