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Author Topic:   Dinosaurs: a question for ID advocates
Minnemooseus
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Message 9 of 17 (572868)
08-08-2010 3:47 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by emr
08-05-2010 7:50 AM


Re: Criticism of 'failed experiment' hypothesis...
Dinosaurs were a failed experiment? This would imply serious lack of foresight on the part of the designer - which would also conflict with the idea of the designer being omniscient.
The dinosaurs did have a highly successful multi-million year run. Perhaps that is all the designer/experimenter was shooting for. And who says the designer was or would even want to be omniscient? Seems that it would be mighty boring to pre-know all of eternal history.
I'm also not sure in what sense dinosaurs could 'go wrong'.
The designer allowed (self implemented or otherwise) an environmental change for which the old design was now longer as good?
So there is no dominant view amongst ID folk when it comes to the chronology of living things?
Like I said back in message 2, my impression is that the "hard core" of the ID movement are theistic evolutionists that accept the mainstream old Earth and the geologic record of what happened. But they pretty much refuse to come out and clearly say such. That gives such as the young Earth creationists (YEC) an opening to grasp onto ID, even though it may well give no real support to their YEC position. We have seen that YEC's are often willing grasp onto anything they perceive to be in any way anti-evolution.
...only stating that a designer stepped in to help the process along...?
The designer could easily step in an tweak the process without leaving any trace.
...or do you invoke special acts of creation?
As best I recall, I have personally never encountered much detail about the old Earth creationist (OEC) position on the origin of the species. OEC Hugh Ross apparently does believe in special acts of creation.
Why would a designer create dinosaurs? What were they 'for'?
For many millions of years worth of observation and entertainment?
Minnemooseus
Edited by Minnemooseus, : Fixed first link format by adding the "" at the end. I thought I had that right when I posted it - Did something happen since?

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Minnemooseus
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Message 17 of 17 (573357)
08-11-2010 1:50 AM
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08-09-2010 8:46 AM


Re: non-omniscient designer?
who says the designer was or would even want to be omniscient?
In a word: Christians.
Maybe they are wrong.
The designer allowed (self implemented or otherwise) an environmental change for which the old design was now longer as good?
I refer back to the previous point: surely an omniscient designer would know in advance that this change would be implemented.
Even if the designer were omniscient, maybe he changed his plan (see message 10).
The designer could easily step in an tweak the process without leaving any trace.
I don't think that kind of rationalisation has ever helped humanity to understand the fabric of the universe.
I would never propose that it would. I'm not one who's out there trying to find designer fingerprints.
(dinosaurs created for...) many millions of years worth of observation and entertainment?
Whose entertainment? Ours?
Well, it all did lead up to the creation of a series of Jurassic Park movies. Are you one to doubt the genius of the great movie producer in the sky?
Moose

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