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stay mikwib Guest |
how can heaven exist if we don't know where it is
this makes a non-believer. what do creationist have to say about that hah
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
wow
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1020 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Heaven is having your 21 month old son hold your head steady so he can give you three big, loud, sloppy kisses.
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
Don't be silly, Stay. By your logic we could ask "How can Stay Mikwib exist if we don't know where (s)he is?"
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5903 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
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Parasomnium Member Posts: 2224 Joined: |
I'm not feeding it, Quetzal, I'm yanking the leash.
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James J Inactive Member |
There are acutally 3 Heavens referred to in the bible.
1) the atmosphere 2) the universe 3) the Heaven where GOD resides The first two you can easily see, ( I would hope would be self evident enough not to be up for debate), they have three dimensions. we see two,( height and width) and percieve the third- depth.The Third heaven,( as described in the bible) has FOUR dimensions. Height, Width, Length and Breadth. Just as a person existing in a two dimensional world would NOT be able to easily discern how something could exsist in a 3 dimensional world. So a person in a three dimensional exsitance would have trouble discerning a four dimensional existance. Does that mean it doesn't exsist? Or is it that we have limited ability to comprehend what is not easily seen, so we say it can't exist because we have trouble comprehending it? 55% of " scientists" believed the earth was flat, at one time. They also took the stance that the solar system revolved around the earth- until someone came up with the means to empirically prove otherwise. Just a thought.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
55% of " scientists" believed the earth was flat, at one time. What is that from, the Dept. of Made-Up Statistics? (Seriously, let's see the cite.) The Greeks knew that the world was round, long before anybody came up with the word "scientist". So all scientists have known that the world was spherical. I notice you use quotes so I'm curious to know who you think you're talking about, because they weren't actual scientists. Also I'd like to know who did the poll, and under what conditions. After all you wouldn't be so disingenuous as to show up here and make up facts, would you?
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Rei Member (Idle past 7044 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Come now, Crash. You know very well that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1271 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
quote: Like this one.
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Flamingo Chavez Inactive Member |
Rei writes: Come now, Crash. You know very well that 78% of all statistics are made up on the spot. No, its 83%
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Rei Member (Idle past 7044 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
(Rei feels the bumps on your head)
Yes, you would say that, you have the skull of a fishmonger. ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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doctrbill Member (Idle past 2795 days) Posts: 1174 From: Eugene, Oregon, USA Joined: |
James J writes:
Ok ...
There are acutally 3 Heavens referred to in the bible.1) the atmosphere 2) the universe 3) the Heaven where GOD resides The first two you can easily see,
Are you sure we can see the atmosphere? I can just barely see the whole universe, even on a cloudless day. (but I know what you mean. )
The Third heaven,( as described in the bible) has FOUR dimensions. Height, Width, Length and Breadth.
I believe 'Width' and 'Breadth' are the same thing. Breadth, being an archaic usage.
They also took the stance that the solar system revolved around the earth- until someone came up with the means to empirically prove otherwise.
There was mathematical "proof" as early as 300 BC, but almost no one accepted it; not even the great Aristotle. He did accept that earth is shaped like a ball, but then insisted that it had to be perfectly spherical. The idea that the sun orbits earth is what got Bruno, Kepler and Galileo into so much trouble, about four hundred years ago. People are not very willing to give up established beliefs, no matter how incredibly unscientific they may be. About Heaven: An alternative opinion, if I may ... There is the firmament: which God calls 'Heaven.' [Heb. shamayim] Genesis 1:8 There is the air, or Atmosphere if you like: where birds fly. [Heb. shamayim] Gen. 1:26 And there are a variety of "heavens" (heaved up things), [Heb. shamayim] i.e. sun, moon and "stars." Gen. 1:17 (planets also were called 'stars.') The dwelling of God is apparently on, or, in the firmament [Heb. raqia] i.e. the dome, or vault, of heaven. He walks on this dome:quote:He builds his palace there: quote:These waters are the: quote: I am wondering what you think of this passage found in 2 Chronicles 2:6. How do you suppose it can be in agreement with the psalms quoted above?quote:BTW: The Hebrew concept of universe did not, apparently, extend beyond the firmament; but was limited to: quote: db
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Flamingo Chavez Inactive Member |
Bumps on head=fish dealer... wha? At least I'm not named after a retail store. lol
------------------"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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Flamingo Chavez Inactive Member |
Hey, doctrbill heres a link to the post where I explain the Hebrew view of their world... I think it'll help clear a few things up for you.EvC Forum: Maybe someone here can explain
------------------"Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." - Albert Einstein
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