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Author Topic:   To fund or not to fund - Are some science projects worth pursuing?
Dr Adequate
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Message 53 of 74 (594469)
12-03-2010 2:17 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
02-12-2006 4:02 PM


There's a (probably apocryphal) story of the King asking Michael Faraday what use electricity was.
There are two versions of his answer. In one version, he says: "What use is a new-born baby?"
In the version that I prefer, he says: "I have no idea what use it will have, but I know that one day Your Majesty's government will put a tax on it".

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Message 54 of 74 (594478)
12-03-2010 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 50 by Bolder-dash
12-03-2010 12:27 PM


Re: per your advice
Well, when 60-100 million children starve to death every decade, when another 800 million people annually are malnourished, when 20,000 square miles of ocean are clogged with plastic contamination, when we are 30 years away from no more oil, when 10% of all college age blacks are in prison in America, when 50 million Americans are without health insurance, when we have no long term strategy for storing spent nuclear material, when 250 million people contract malaria every year...and a whole host of other issues, I say the money spent to satisfy people's curiosity is the bigger crime.
First of all, I would say that if you live a life without any luxuries, then your moral standpoint is unassailable. Otherwise not so much.
Secondly, I would say that scientific knowledge is one of the most economic of luxuries. We pay for it once, and then everyone has it forever.
(An anecdote: some guy protested at the cost to the taxpayer of turning me into a mathematician. I did a quick sum in my head and gave him a penny as his refund.)
Thirdly, I would point out that it is difficult to know in advance whether a piece of knowledge might have practical uses. SETI is now a classic example of a waste of money. Unless and until we contact aliens who share with us their advanced technological secrets, in which case it's the motherlode.
There was a guy, I forget his name, who made such major practical advances in physics that they gave him a Nobel Prize for it. His research was instigated by his curiosity as to why the Mediterranean Sea was such a beautiful shade of blue.
Obviously if we knew in advance what would be useful we'd all be doing that.

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Message 56 of 74 (594482)
12-03-2010 2:55 PM
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12-03-2010 2:46 PM


My favorite example of ignorant incredulity (apart from creationists, of course) is the New York Times sneering at Goddard:
After the rocket quits our air and and really starts on its longer journey, its flight would be neither accelerated nor maintained by the explosion of the charges it then might have left [...] That Professor Goddard, with his "chair" in Clark College and the countenancing of the Smithsonian Institution, does not know the relation of action to reaction, and of the need to have something better than a vacuum against which to react -- to say that would be absurd. Of course he only seems to lack the knowledge ladled out daily in high schools.
A rocket, of course, reacts against its own exhaust.

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Message 58 of 74 (594494)
12-03-2010 3:29 PM
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12-03-2010 3:15 PM


"640K ought to be enough for anybody." --- Bill Gates.
"A man has been arrested in New York for attempting to extort funds from ignorant and superstitious people by exhibiting a device which he says will convey the human voice any distance over metallic wires so that it will be heard by the listener at the other end. He calls this instrument a telephone. Well-informed people know that it is impossible to transmit the human voice over wires."
I'm going to call BS on this one.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 60 of 74 (594500)
12-03-2010 3:46 PM
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12-03-2010 3:33 PM


You can find a lot of things all over the internet.
The thing which rang my skeptical bell was the detail that he called his invention a "telephone".
My BS-sense is tingling.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 61 of 74 (594502)
12-03-2010 3:52 PM
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12-03-2010 12:35 AM


Re: per your advice
As cavediver has pointed out, there are very very few people on the planet who can even come close to understanding what is going on in the search for extra universes and strings created only by the evidence of imagination ... How much should we spend on such short odds? We have to spend billions based on the fantasies of 5 people?
There aren't a great number of people who really understand how electricity works. I myself don't understand quantum electrodynamics.
The utility of a discovery is not measured by the number of people who know how it works, but by the number of people who can make use of it.
If the folks at CERN could one day parlay their discoveries into (for example) a cheap and effective form of anti-gravity, then we'd all profit even if there were only five people in the world who really understand how it works.

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Message 73 of 74 (595097)
12-06-2010 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by molbiogirl
12-05-2010 6:48 PM


Thanks.

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