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Author Topic:   Bush's Shia Islamic War Vs Obama's Sunni War
PaulK
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Message 23 of 111 (599599)
01-09-2011 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
01-08-2011 7:09 PM


In other words, Obama is acting like a U.S. president.

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Message 44 of 111 (599770)
01-10-2011 2:16 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Buzsaw
01-10-2011 1:08 PM


Re: Children & Religion
quote:
Whether you're aware or not, the rule of thumb, the father determines the religion of his family.
But generally not the religion of a child raised by his mother and maternal grandparents. And at the time Barack Obama senior was with Obama's mother, he was an atheist, not a Muslim.
So the circumstances are such that your "rule of thumb" is even less likely to apply than for a normal family - and even if it did Obama wouldn't be a Muslim.
Look Buz, if you can't be bothered to do basic research - and if you are foolish enough to think that a "rule of thumb" is a solid argument then you are going to be wrong a lot of the time. And that is one of the reasons WHY you are wrong nearly all the time.

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Message 59 of 111 (600172)
01-13-2011 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Buzsaw
01-12-2011 11:37 PM


Buzsaw:A Liar ?
quote:
He was a Muslim and gave our president his Muslim name.
If we actually READ the article that Buz linked to we see that the places where the word Muslim appears are:
Although Obama Sr. was born into a Muslim and Christian family,[15] he became an atheist as a young man.[6]
(In the Early Life section)
A quote from Obama's book My Spiritual Journey in
Reference 6:
...although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition."
A reference to an offsite article - reference 12 "Obama’s father and the origin of Muslim name" - but the link is dead, and it would be bizarre indeed to rely on something implied by the title of an external reference over the actual text.
And a category at the bottom: Kenyan former Muslims
Or maybe we should look for "Islam" - there are only three references in the article, two about Obama's grandfather and one in the sidebar providing summary information which says:
Religion Islam, later Atheist[6]
So, except for the title of an offsite article - which Buz did not refer to or link to, every part of the source which says that Obama senior was ever a Muslim also states that he abandoned Islam. For Buz to "honestly" come to the conclusion that the article said that Obama senior was a Muslim at the relevant part of his life he would have to ignore the fact that every reference to Obama senior ever being a Muslim also says that he abandoned Islam. He can't even have read one complete sentence !
(And need I point out that Obama senior gave his son his own name ? One need not be a Muslim to do that !)

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Message 65 of 111 (600341)
01-14-2011 1:25 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by Buzsaw
01-13-2011 7:38 PM


Buzsaw answers my question
quote:
No. When Barak was born, his father was a Muslim.
Unless you dishonestly mean Barack Obama senior this assertion is directly contradicted by the Wikipedia article that YOU gave as a source. According to that Barack Obama senior abandoned Islam before even meeting Barack Obama junior's mother.
quote:
That's when he named him names implicating Islam.
Barack Hussein Obama senior gave HIS name to his son Barack Hussein Obama junior. You might have had a point if it were some other name, but it isn't.
quote:
Later he enrolled Barak in two Indonesian schools as a Muslim, first a Catholic school and then a Muslim school.
That claim requires evidence. I suspect that if we investigate it we'll find another Buzsaw fabrication. The EVIDENCE that we have is that Barack Obama senior was an atheist at the time, regarding Islam as a superstition and had little to do with his son's upbringing, which was in the control of his maternal family - and even you haven't suggested that THEY were Muslims.

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Message 77 of 111 (600724)
01-16-2011 5:52 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Buzsaw
01-16-2011 3:57 PM


Re: Obama's Religion
OK so you have SOME evidence, but it is pretty feeble. So let's look at it:
1) Obama was registered as a Muslim in a school system that REQUIRED registration as a member of some religion. Which in effect did no more than say which religion they should be instructed in for 2 hours a week. However, we cannot conclude from this that Obama ever took the step of actually accepting Islam.
2) He occasionally went to a mosque as a child - with his stepfather. This indicates a lack of any serious devotion to Islam. Even a childhood enthusiasm for Islam would fall short of being really good evidence - and this is far less. As a child I probably spent far more tine in Church or Sunday School or church activities than Obama did in a mosque and I'm not a Christian.
In fact I would point out that the mere fact that those looking for "evidence" have to reach back so far (Obama left Indonesia at the age of 10) is strong evidence that Obama is not a Muslim. It is simply looking at the wrong period of his life. Why not, say, his college years ? (Or does the fact that Occidental College was founded by Presbyterians "prove" that Obama was a Christian at that time ?)

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Message 100 of 111 (600842)
01-17-2011 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Buzsaw
01-17-2011 11:20 AM


Buzsaw's wlilful ignorance showing again
quote:
killing all who refuse to worship the speaking image (TV tech) according to the prophet John in Revelation 13
Presumably you mean killing any Muslim who decides TO worship the speaking image. If Muslims are meant to kill apostates as you keep saying then they aren't exactly going to be kind to apostates who turn to idolatry.
Of course you already know this because you claim to know about Islam - and because it has been discussed here before. I guess it's "all about honesty and forthrightness"...

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