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Jon Inactive Member |
Great idea - all benefits and perks (health care, pensions, etc) for all elected officials should be approved by the public that pays the taxes for these things. This could be done as part of the existing election process, when other bills etc are usually on the ballots. This has the unfortunate side-effect of limiting the selections of candidates to folk who are wealthy enough to have those needs met elsewhere while still having enough time on their hands to dabble in the politics. It's already hard enough to get a poor man in the seat; let's not go and make it impossible! Jon Check out No webpage found at provided URL: Apollo's Temple! Ignorance is temporary; you should be able to overcome it. - nwr
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I confess, your position on this issue came as a complete surprise given the strong correlation between evolution denial and political conservativism/voting for Republicans.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
the strong correlation between evolution denial and political conservativism/voting for Republicans. Even among the Chinese?
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
RAZD writes: If the question is not IF jobs are lost but WHERE jobs are lost, then yes, it looks better to me to reduce wasteful spending on the military budget. It looks to me like republicans want to cut the public sector and add minimum or entry level wage jobs to the private sector in the hopes of trimming expenses and stimulating business and corporate interests. This sort of thinking burns me up. If expenses need to be cut, cutting the wages of breadwinners in order to stimulate the productivity of corporations and business is counterproductive to the very idea of the American Dream.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
hi Phat,
If expenses need to be cut, cutting the wages of breadwinners in order to stimulate the productivity of corporations and business is counterproductive to the very idea of the American Dream. Indeed, and counterproductive to improving the economy - the economy is based on the movement of money between people, so the more people that have money to move the better the economy. This is why the economy is based, founded on the worker and not the corporations. Corporations cannot exist without workers, but workers can (happily) exist without corporations. The Military-Industrial complex has grown like a tumor on the american economy, and needs to be cut down to size. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
RAZD writes: The Military-Industrial complex has grown like a tumor on the american economy, and needs to be cut down to size. It's far, far worse than that. Like the mice who want to bell the cat - who's gonna do it? They got nuclear weapons. We got maybe some mail-order AK-47s and an old gatling gun or 2. Some grenades. They got cruise missile and smart bombs. They even have dirty bombs and germ warfare weapons. International corporate collusion has strangled the whole world. Over 90% of all the world's criminal activity is done at the behest of the Top Fortune 500 corporations. When the profits of corporations have been and still are held so much more important than the citizens of the United States, we got Trouble, and that starts with T which rhymes with P and that stands for Pool. Too big to fail? They can have you killed for maybe 10 bucks. With a mere flick of the wrist, if you so much as look like you are in their way. Democracy? Federalism? Justice? Constitution? Freedom? All long, long gone into the dustbin of history. It was a nice idea, until greed got in the way. Sundown on the Union. This country's ruled by violence, better get that through your head. Look at all these liberal whiners in the media complaining about a future disaster that they haven't even recognized has already occurred in the past. Where's my man Dronester? You want a budget cut? Maybe better to Hope for the Singularity to eat them alive...maybe cut them open on live TV. I'd watch that. With fries. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
xongsmith writes: Over 90% of all the world's criminal activity is done at the behest of the Top Fortune 500 corporations. Whaaaaaat? Cite. Sounds like you are a bit too gullible.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
RAZD writes: Corporations cannot exist without workers, but workers can (happily) exist without corporations. Thats because corporations *are* workers. Organized workers dedicated to a common goal, but its all just workers.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
Phat writes: If expenses need to be cut, cutting the wages of breadwinners in order to stimulate the productivity of corporations and business is counterproductive to the very idea of the American Dream. Historically the public sector is significantly more wasteful than the private sector, due to the lack of any meaningful competition. I also disagree that the American Dream is to be taxed in order to pay the wages of "breadwinners". If a public sector job can be transferred to the private sector without compromising its execution then its always going to be a good idea.
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
crashfrog writes: I confess, your position on this issue came as a complete surprise given the strong correlation between evolution denial and political conservativism/voting for Republicans. There is also a strong correlation between eating rice and Communism. You should probably reexamine your expectations if Capitalist sushi-eaters are a complete surprise.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phage0070 writes: Thats because corporations *are* workers. Organized workers dedicated to a common goal, but its all just workers. WTF are you smokin'? I want some. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
xongsmith writes: Phage0070 writes: Thats because corporations *are* workers. Organized workers dedicated to a common goal, but its all just workers. WTF are you smokin'? I want some. Do you disagree? A corporation is simply an organization of workers which is tailored to certain types of investment.
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phage0070 writes: Historically the public sector is significantly more wasteful than the private sector, due to the lack of any meaningful competition....[deletia]... Historically the public sector is doing all the important work. They are not making pet rocks or hula hoops or french fries. They are teachers, firefighters, policemen, soldiers, highway repairmen, snowplowers, librarians, garbage collectors and so on. You are arguing that making pet rocks is less wasteful than teaching our children. You are arguing that running American Idol is less wasteful than the providing our soldiers with adequate protection from IEDs. You are arguing that a computer store is less wasteful than a firestation. Good luck with that.
If a public sector job can be transferred to the private sector without compromising its execution then its always going to be a good idea. That has never happened. Ever. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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xongsmith Member Posts: 2587 From: massachusetts US Joined: Member Rating: 7.0 |
Phage0070 writes: Do you disagree? A corporation is simply an organization of workers which is tailored to certain types of investment. A corporation is nothing less than a dictatorship, dude. The minions at the bottom get shit on by the overlords on top. The more unions are broken, the more the overlords shit on them. C'mon this is easy shit. I've seen a lot better from you elsewhere. You are disappointing me. Maybe employee-owned companies. But what, Avis Rent-A-Car, SAIC,...some others...possibly The Green Bay Packers - but by far in the extreme minority here. They are tolerated exceptions. - xongsmith, 5.7d
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Phage0070 Inactive Member |
xongsmith writes: Historically the public sector is doing all the important work. There are certainly many important things the government must do, but certainly not all the important things. For instance almost everything you eat wasn't made by the public sector. How you get to work, how you cloth yourself, how your shelter is built, thats all mostly private sector. The drugs you buy and the healthcare you receive are mostly private sector. And for most of the things which are provided by the public sector there are private alternatives which are superior in some cases. For instance private teachers, private firefighters, private security, private road maintenance, private librarians, private garbage collection services, etc.
xongsmith writes: You are arguing that making pet rocks is less wasteful than teaching our children. You are arguing that running American Idol is less wasteful than the providing our soldiers with adequate protection from IEDs. You are arguing that a computer store is less wasteful than a firestation. And you are arguing a straw man.
xongsmith writes: If a public sector job can be transferred to the private sector without compromising its execution then its always going to be a good idea. That has never happened. Ever. Then you would argue that a command economy where every possible industry, good, or service is run by the government must necessarily be more efficient and operate in a superior manner than in an economy with a private sector, right? In that case you are simply ignorant.
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