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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2963 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
molbiogirl
writes: And to top it off, you "cite" an opinion piece she wrote for an interest group she founded! Get real. Seems your a little mixed up or you answer before you know the facts. Mae-wan Ho, presented this paper, which is a review of the many papers she published with P.T. Saunders on epigenetics, At a conference in re the future of evolution in Belgrade in 2009Below are the presenters at the conference. Are they all woo's? Abstracts Name AbstractsProf. Gnther Altner Evolution and Creation Prof. Francisco J. Ayala On the Origins of Modern Science:Copernicus and Darwin Prof. David Cooper Evolution, Environment, and Beauty Prof. Deniel Dennett Darwin’s "Strange Inversion of Reasoning" Prof. Eve-Marie Engels Charles Darwin's Conception of Morality andToday's Evolutionary Ethics Prof. Mikhail N. EpsteinGenocentrism of R. Dawkins and the Personalist Argument for the Existence of God Prof. Hille Haker The Responsible Self - Questions after Darwin Prof. John Harris Evolution: the Enhancement Phase Dr. Mae Wan HoDevelopment and Evolution Revisited Prof. Otfried Hoeffe Homo sapiens: An animal morabile Prof. Felix T. Hong Cognitive Darwinism: Deciphering the Enigma ofHuman Creativity Dr. Philippe Huneman Investigating Current Cooperation Studies inEvolutionary Theory: Philosophy of Science and the Prospects for a Unified Biological Understanding of Human Altruism Prof. Eva Jablonka Soft Inheritance in the 21st Century Prof. Gorazd Kocijancic Time and Hypostasis- On Evolution as a"Transcendental Illusion" Prof. Nikolaus Knoepffler Enhancement — and Escalation Model for anEthical Evaluation Prof. Radoje Lausevic Climate Change, Altruistic Behavior and Morality Prof. Michael Leslie DNA and the Evolution of Motifs in Beethoven’sGreatest Piano Work The Hammerklavier Sonata" Prof. Dietmar Mieth The Evolution and the Question of God and Moral.The Example of the Discussion about Richard Dawkins page 2 >> Abstracts Name AbstractsDr. Jurgen Neffe Darwin Prof. Hilary Rose Celebrating Darwin’s Birthday — a ProblematicInheritance? Prof. Steven P. Rose From Dobzhansky’s Dictum to DevelopmentalSystems Theory Prof. Peter Saunders What can Development tell us about Evolution? Prof. Neven Sesardic Heredity, Environment and Equality Dr. Stefan Lorenz Sorgner Evolution, Education, and Genetic Enhancement Dr. Predrag Sustar What is Natural Selection? A Tip from CancerResearch Prof. Emer. Armin Tenner Future and Energy Prof. Peter Weish Evolution and Ethics Prof. Ernst Ulrich von Weizsacker Darwinism Comprehended as a Permission To Be"weak"
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I am discussing Ho.
Ho is a nutbag. Provide evidence of directed evolution in higher organisms.Or admit defeat.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2963 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
molbiogirl writes:
I am discussing Ho.Ho is a nutbag. Provide evidence of directed evolution in higher organisms. Or admit defeat. I am reading the paper and her prior papers and will post later on them. You should read her papers and then let me know if she is a "nutbag." It's not about winning or losing, but looking at new ideas in evolution, and possibly acdepting new ideas.If anyone is interested in the Belgrade Conference in 2009 you can find it here, http://www.evolution.konras.com
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Mae-wan Ho, presented this paper, which is a review of the many papers she published with P.T. Saunders on epigenetics Here's a pubmed search of Mae-wan Ho. Care to show me the "many" papers on epigenetics?
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I am reading the paper and her prior papers and will post later on them. Papers published in the research literature I hope.I provided a pubmed search in my prior post in case you need a little help finding them. You should read her papers and then let me know if she is a "nutbag." I read plenty of this woman's addled rambling yesterday.
Here's a taste:
Highly polarized multiple layers of liquid crystalline water molecules form dynamically coherent units with the macromolecules, enabling them to function as quantum molecular energy machines that transform and transfer energy with close to 100 percent efficiency. The quantum coherent organism is a macroscopic quantum being with an ever-evolving wave function spread throughout the entire universe, entangling the wave functions of other quantum beings. Ooooooooo!
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Highly polarized multiple layers of liquid crystalline water molecules form dynamically coherent units with the macromolecules, enabling them to function as quantum molecular energy machines that transform and transfer energy with close to 100 percent efficiency. I quit smoking that stuff before I even got accepted to grad school. A long time ago......
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
shadow71 writes: I would suggest you e-mail Shapiro and ask him what you want. He was very prompt in answering my e-mail and molbiogirls e-mails. He, I am sure, would answer any questions you have. I suppose I could do that, but I'm not sure I need to yet. "Purifying selection" is not some random term that Shapiro coined. The term has a standard meaning. You can look it up on Wikipedia or find it defined in scientist papers. From
Widespread purifying selection at polymorphic sites in human protein-coding loci, Austin L. Hughes et alia. Widespread purifying selection at polymorphic sites in human protein-coding loci - PMC
quote: From Wikipedia Negative selection - Wikipedia(natural_selection)
quote: Wouldn't Shapiro have defined "purifying selection" if he was not using the term in its ordinary sense?
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
We're talking Rupert Sheldrake levels of delusion here. Morphogenic fields, biophotons, etc.
Take a look at the talk she gave for the Radionic Association. Just a taste.
The putative memory of the water invoked for homeopathic activity, in the form of specific electromagnetic signals, can be clearly and independently detected. A science of homeopathy has the potential to revolutionize biology and put all forms of energy medicine, including radionics on the map. What's "radionics"? So glad you asked.
Radionics is a healing technique in which our natural intuitive faculties are used both to discover the energetic disturbances underlying illness and to encourage the return of a normal energetic field that supports health. The woo is strong with this one.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2963 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
molbiogirl writes:
How about discussing the paper and not her wackadoo crap from ISIS? Ho writes:
In a brilliant critique of the genetic determinist approach to behaviour, Gottlieb (1998) also deconstructed the idea that genes determine body pattern by pointing to the very different expression patterns of the same Hox genes in the fruitfly, the centipede, and the Onychophora. Hox (homeotic) genes are supposed to control segmental patterning during development; instead, the same genes appear to be simply responding to different patterning processes in the different animals. There is decidedly no homology of genes corresponding to homology of biological structures. This same theme emerged in a comprehensive review of segmentation in arthropods by Peel, Chipman and Akam (2005), which showed that different groups have distinct modes of segmentation and divergent genetic mechanisms.One important motivation for focussing on development for evolutionary change is that developmental changes are far from random or arbitrary (Ho and Saunders, 1979, 1982, 1984; Webster and Goodwin, 1982); but are determined by dynamical structures, independently of the action of specific genes. Does she make any sense here or is this just woo?
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Wounded King Member Posts: 4149 From: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Joined: |
Does she make any sense here or is this just woo? No, claiming that "There is decidedly no homology of genes corresponding to homology of biological structures." means instead that she is talking nonsense. There is certainly no universal expectation of conservation of function, it is easily shown that developmental pathways can be modified to different endpoints and triggers. However there is a wealth of data showing substantially conserved homologies of function and genetic networks across species and indeed across phyla. TTFN, WK
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
Are you going to cite a PAPER published in the RESEARCH LITERATURE or not?
Either cite a PAPER or withdraw your claim of directed mutation in higher organisms.
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shadow71 Member (Idle past 2963 days) Posts: 706 From: Joliet, il, USA Joined: |
Stress-induced variation in evolution: from behavioural plasticity to genetic assimilation
Alexander V Badyaev* + Author Affiliations Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology, University of Arizona Tucson, AZ 85721-0088, USA. (abadyaev@email.arizona.edu) Abstract Extreme environments are closely associated with phenotypic evolution, yet the mechanisms behind this relationship are poorly understood. Several themes and approaches in recent studies significantly further our understanding of the importance that stress-induced variation plays in evolution. First, stressful environments modify (and often reduce) the integration of neuroendocrinological, morphological and behavioural regulatory systems. Second, such reduced integration and subsequent accommodation of stress-induced variation by developmental systems enables organismal ‘memory’ of a stressful event as well as phenotypic and genetic assimilation of the response to a stressor. Third, in complex functional systems, a stress-induced increase in phenotypic and genetic variance is often directional, channelled by existing ontogenetic pathways. This accounts for similarity among individuals in stress-induced changes and thus significantly facilitates the rate of adaptive evolution. Fourth, accumulation of phenotypically neutral genetic variation might be a common property of locally adapted and complex organismal systems, and extreme environments facilitate the phenotypic expression of this variance. Finally, stress-induced effects and stress-resistance strategies often persist for several generations through maternal, ecological and cultural inheritance. These transgenerational effects, along with both the complexity of developmental systems and stressor recurrence, might facilitate genetic assimilation of stress-induced effects. Accumulation of phenotypically neutral genetic variance by developmental systems and phenotypic accommodation of stress-induced effects, together with the inheritance of stress-induced modifications, ensure the evolutionary persistence of stress—response strategies and provide a link between individual adaptability and evolutionary adaptation.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
And where does Badyaev discuss directed mutation? Directed evolution?
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NoNukes Inactive Member |
Shadow71,
Can you indicate, in your own words, how this paper supports your argument? I could make some guesses about the Ho paper, but this Badyaev paper covers a lot of ground.
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2671 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I could make some guesses about the Ho paper... Just a quick note, NN.That is a talk Ho gave, not a paper. Shadow has yet to quote Ho's published work.
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