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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1268 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
480 bc? Not too keen on this.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
So? Who cares how keen anyone is? How do you derive a date? What date? Can you back it up?
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Rei Member (Idle past 7041 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
Ned, be nice . He's going to get bored of this if you make him work too much more.
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
K, sorry. :$
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Nope.
How do you arrive at this date Chris? Think about this a little, if the Bible is such an accurate and proven document, why are you having such trouble tracking down a date for the Exodus? Chronology is the backbone of history, if you cannot place an event into a chronological framework then how can we take it seriously? Once a date has been arrived at you then have to judge whether this fits in with the chronological framework of any other nation that is involved in that event. In other words, you need an approximate date if the Exodus is to be given a place in world history. Keep digging, you are around a thousand years out, which isn't too good for an alleged proven event. Brian.
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1268 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
1440 BC, depending on the 4th year of Solomon's temple. Two sources provided this as the date.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Ok, and these two sources would be what?
Brian.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7041 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
If you accept what is said on that page, then you accept that the bible isn't always a literal rendition of the truth. Because that page's argument is that 480 is symbolic, because it contradicts with another biblical date. Why then, for example, could the early Genesis ages and generations not likewise be symbolic?
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Amlodhi Inactive Member |
Hi Brian,
quote: Of course, in the absence of corroborating extra-biblical sources, this determination cannot be made with any degree of certainty. The same can be said, however, for virtually any ancient source document. In every given case, certain assessments need be made concerning such things as, the apparent motivation and agenda of the author, the degree to which a statement falls within the parameters of normal "believability" and the internal consistency of the source itself.
quote: "Must have been?" Of course not. It is simply my current opinion that such strong traditions were quite likely based on actual core events as opposed to being strictly fabricated out of whole cloth.
quote: Actually, I don't think that there would have been reason to invent such justification in this time period. In those days it was pretty much "might makes right". Also, such justification (to whatever extent it was needed) would have already been provided in the earlier accounts concerning Abraham.
quote: No argument. Accounts of metaphysical intervention are the purview of religion; not archaeological reconstruction of history.
quote: In addition to your above quote, you introduce several particulars regarding some of the difficulties surrounding the evaluation of the Tel Dan fragment. I won't address these issues point by point simply because there is nothing to disagree with regarding your statements. Various reconstructions (I have read three) are indeed controversial and are based on information provided by the alleged additional fragments. Nevertheless, I do have an enlarged image of the stela and it is readily apparent that the entire "byt dwd" phrase exists clearly and in its entirety on the original fragment with the only area of ambiguity involving the term which immediately precedes this phrase. In fact, the remarkable state of preservation itself has led some to consider that the inscription could be a forgery. And yet, it is difficult to imagine that this could be the case given the circumstances of the discovery. Also, regardless of the uncertain paleographical considerations, pottery sherds found in proximity to the stela suggest the mid-ninth century date with an absolute terminus ad quem of 733 b.c. based on the Assyrian records of Tiglath-Pileser's campaigns in this area. Thus, if it is genuine, even a worst case dating of the stela would begin to introduce time constraints against a complete fabrication of such a tradition.
quote: Or it could mean that David was an actual eponymous ancestor. In an era in which succession records tended to be the rule rather than the exception, I would think that this is at least as likely an explanation.
quote: To my understanding, this is not actually correct. It is line 31 in which Lemaire claims to have discovered the "house of David" inscription. Line 12 reads (from right to left): saw hdwd lara ta mm baw bamlw mkl tyr rqh Which is translated as: . . . hqr (the town) tyr (belonged) l'kmc (to Kemosh) v'l'mab(and to Moab). vacb(and I brought) mcm (thence) at (direct object indicator) aral (either altar, or, Aral, i.e. Oriel) dwdh (of his beloved, or, his beloved) [some also say chieftain] va?s (and I dragged) . . . . . . the town belonged to Kamosh and to Moab. And I brought thence the altar-hearth of his Beloved, and I dragged Or possibly: . . . the town belonged to Kemosh and to Moab. And I brought thence Aral (Oriel), his beloved (or possibly governor), and I dragged . . . Line 31 is badly damaged and possibly reads (from right to left): a? qw? b hb by nnrwjw xrah nax? ta t(rl yd For which Lemaire has translated: "[. . .] the sheep of the land. And the house of David dwelt in Horonen." Don't ask me how though because I cannot see it. Apparently Lemaire has re-defined some of the characters. W. F. Albright has: "[. . .] of the land. And as for Hauronen, there dwelt in it [. . . and]"
quote: Not in my opinion.
quote: I think that therein lies the problem. The Ebla tablets are a relatively new discovery and while they have only begun to be examined and/or translated, it is altogether too tempting for some to publish prematurely. I have no solid source as proof that the plains cities actually exist in these tablets. The article that I read seemed credible because it stated that the cities were not only listed in the same order as given in the bible but also (and more importantly), they were phonetic transliterations of the biblical names. It simply seems extraordinary to me that there would be any margin for error of translation in an exactly ordered and phonetic rendering. Thus, I can imagine only two possibilities; they are there as advertised or they are not there at all. I will simply withhold judgment until such time as I can obtain a facsimile and/or a transliteration of this tablet. So far, however, I have not been able to find even a suitable translation. I have a copy of Pritchard's "Ancient Near Eastern Texts Relating to the Old Testament" and it is invaluable as a reference. It really needs to be updated though; or perhaps, at least, supplemented. The Ebla tablets are not listed in the (3rd) edition I have since they are simply too recent.
quote: Precisely so. As I said in a previous post; the fact that Rome exists in no way indicates that Romulus and Remus were raised by wolves. Namaste' Amlodhi [This message has been edited by Amlodhi, 10-17-2003]
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Hi,
Well this article appears to give two different dates for the Exodus, which one will I take as being the correct one? Of course whenever you accept one date over the other, you then have a bilical reference that cannot be true. So which date would you like to present as the date for the Exodus, is it going to be 1460 or 1290? Once you have decided which date is the accurate one then we can look for supporting evidence. I am quite concerned that you can only find one source for this epic event involving the mass movement of over two million people. Brian. [This message has been edited by Brian, 10-18-2003]
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Brian Member (Idle past 4988 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Do you agree then that the Bible has been proven incorrect about one of the dates?
Brian
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Rei Member (Idle past 7041 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
quote: Not to mention quail: The LORD Sends Quail 31Now the LORD sent a wind that brought quail from the sea and let them fall into the camp and all around it! For many miles in every direction from the camp there were quail flying about three feet above the ground.[4] 32So the people went out and caught quail all that day and throughout the night and all the next day, too. No one gathered less than fifty bushels[5] ! They spread the quail out all over the camp. 33But while they were still eating the meat, the anger of the LORD blazed against the people, and he caused a severe plague to break out among them. 34So that place was called Kibroth-hattaavah--"the graves of craving"--because they buried the people there who had craved meat from Egypt. 35From there the Israelites traveled to Hazeroth, where they stayed for some time. Just assuming by "no one" they mean only adult males, we're still looking at, what, 30 million bushels of quail in one particular location? A bushel is about 1.25 cubic feet, so that's, what, about 300 million large quail? Even the droppings of that many quail would make up a strata The skeletons of plague-killed Israelites should clue archaeologists in. ------------------"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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Trump won  Suspended Member (Idle past 1268 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Archaeology and the Bible - ChristianAnswers.Net
I was emailed this link by a fellow christian, shows an abundant amount of archaeological finds that support scripture. -------------------chris
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NosyNed Member Posts: 9004 From: Canada Joined: |
Could you do the usual? Pick one, make a short comment on it and tell us why you think it is of importance.
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