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frako
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Message 41 of 213 (619500)
06-10-2011 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by GDR
06-09-2011 9:50 PM


The disciples point is that had happened. The point at the time was very political, because essentially the disciples, after the resurrection were saying that Jesus is King which meant Caesar wasn't. But again rule under Caesar is all about power and control, whereas rule under Jesus is all about love and service.
Can you point out the kingdom of love and service to me at anytime in history??
Or did his whole prophecy resemble this firecracker anology
Im gonna throw this firecracker now shut your ears its going to be loud *2 seconds later* pft
No, just that they would be empowered to serve others.
Never knew you need to be empowered by the holy spirit to do so
example: http://www.atheistshelpingthehomeless.org/.../AHTH/index.php
And even if it started out that way the whole movement was a dud for the next 1500 years his followers where more concerned with saving their souls by torture is necessary, then helping the needy, and they still dont serve others.
Edited by AdminPD, : Fixed quote box

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frako
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Message 43 of 213 (619514)
06-10-2011 7:06 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by purpledawn
06-10-2011 6:51 AM


Re: Synoptics
Show me support that anything a prophet speaks concerning the future is considered to be from God whether the prophet claims it is from God or not. Just because you believe that doesn't make it so.
Do you know how silly this sounds im telling you the end of days its coming but i dint here this form god its my wild guess. If i heare anything about the subject form god i will add the phrase god says next time.
Only when the prophet tries to lead God's people to other gods is he then a false prophet.
How do you know he dint do just that you have the failed prophecy and all of a sudden a new god or new part of god is being worshiped Jesus? You could have been led astray and not even know it.

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frako
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Message 45 of 213 (619518)
06-10-2011 7:52 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by purpledawn
06-10-2011 7:26 AM


Re: Contention Failed
Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.
Yea the kingdom of god came with such power inside them that they had to ask where is it.

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frako
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Message 57 of 213 (619666)
06-11-2011 5:24 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by Buzsaw
06-10-2011 9:19 PM


Re: Jesus's Prophesies Spot On!
When Jesus prophesied here, Jerusalem was fully occupied by Jews. For 19 plus centuries, Jerusalem was occupied predominantly by Gentiles. In the 1967 Six day War, the gentiles ran/fled out and Jews marched in again, triumphantly, all the way to the wailing wall on Mt Zion, the Temple Mount in Jerusalem. Fulfillment of Jesus's messianic kingdom prophecy is emerging on tract, corroborated by numerous other end time simultaneously as predicted.
So you are telling me there are 2000 year old disciples still walking around who have not yet tasted death?
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 58 of 213 (619668)
06-11-2011 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by ICANT
06-10-2011 4:09 PM


Re: Kingdom Authority
You would be a good Lawyer you know.
If a man was caught red handed in murdering someone with a blood stained knife and clothes you would probably get the jury to find him innocent and at the same time get the family of the victim to pay for dry cleaning of his blood stained clothes.

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frako
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Message 66 of 213 (619729)
06-11-2011 5:50 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Buzsaw
06-11-2011 5:31 PM


Re: Jesus's Prophesies Spot On!
24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 25For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. 26For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 27For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
1And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, 2And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. 3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him. 4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. 5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. 6And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid. 7And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid. 8And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
All that talk for a lousy vision of the future, what actualy was not a vision of the future but a vision of heaven.
Why couldn't he just say in one weak im gonna show you where i came from?
Are you sure hi dint mean something like this would happen
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Note this time the word generation is used not just some of you.
U sure he was talking about a vision a few blokes would receive.

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frako
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Message 73 of 213 (619764)
06-12-2011 6:37 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Chuck77
06-12-2011 6:26 AM


Re: There are no Prophecies of Jesus in the OT
I think because there is already a thread discussing those prophecies about Jesus.

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frako
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Message 82 of 213 (619786)
06-12-2011 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 78 by purpledawn
06-12-2011 9:52 AM


Re: The Book or Reality
The author was wrong.
Isnt this some kind of heresy for members of the bible club.
from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work (2 Timothy 3:15-17).
Or is timothy wrong too?
Back on topic:
Jesus didn't leave any writings. Jeremiah spoke of the people in his time.
So why believe anything written about Jesus if the authors where wrong once, could they have not been wrong more then once? Maby about the whole Jesus affair, that Jesus was not the messiahs but anti messiahs who turned the world from god and got them to worship him, and a strange fictional all loving god where just a few chapters ago all he talks about is blood and death??
Edited by frako, : No reason given.

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frako
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Message 87 of 213 (619848)
06-12-2011 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Dawn Bertot
06-12-2011 4:52 PM


Frako, are you really interested in whether he was an actual prophet, do you really care about any such kingdom
In fact what do you care about of a religious nature?
I dont care much for religion or faith i care much more for facts and evidence.
Well as for Jesus being a true prophet or a false one i have my doubts he even existed
But i did want to find out how fare one would go to bend scripture so it supports ones wives. So fare just about every one that argued for Jesus came up with his own theory why i am wrong and provided evidence for his own theory. Hardly any consensus on the matter. And only one of you actually questioned the prophecy and set out to do more research.

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