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Author | Topic: Creationism - a clearer picture? | ||||||||||||||||||||
joz Inactive Member |
quote: No lets back it up a step and ask why if creationism (presumeably around since the writing of genesis) predicted laws 1 and 2 of thermodynamics so much was made of the scientists who discovered them.... Hey why stop at the first two why not the 0th and 3rd as well? Oh yeah its because creation ex nihilo breaks the 0th law.. But hey why not claim relativity, the Schroedinger wave equation and the big bang while your at it....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: How about a small geographically and genetically isolated population (A)evolves faster than a large population where genes must take longer to reach fixation (B)... at some point the population (A) overcomes the geographical isolation and being more evolved to suit the environment supplants the population (B).... What we see in the fossil record unless we get very lucky and dig in the area of geographic confinement is an abrupt transition from the species that comprised population (B) and the initial population of (A) to the species which comprised the population (A) at the time of geographic breakout.... Is that mechanism enough for you....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: 1)The Lion in question died at age 8, average life span of lions in captivity 25... so she lived less than 25% of her expected life span... 2)Lions need certain vitamins and the like they can only get from meat, there is no record of this veggy lion ever breeding, given that it is known that malnutrition can cause infertillity I doubt that on a veggy diet she could have bred. 3)If a veggy lion can`t breed then lions as a species cannot be veggy... Well TC?
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: [/B][/QUOTE] And its even more impressive given that they were building the pyramids at the same time (Based on Theos assertion that the pyramids are post deluvian structures)....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: And what do we get if we extrapolate this growth of 3.7% a year to the modern day? N = 8*1.0374000 N = 1.0426*1064 Which is rather large by anyones standards....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: I posted this earlier but you seem to have missed it.... How about a small geographically and genetically isolated population (A) evolves faster than a large population where genes must take longer to reach fixation (B)... at some point the population (A) overcomes the geographical isolation and being more evolved to suit the environment supplants the population (B).... What we see in the fossil record unless we get very lucky and dig in the area of geographic confinement is an abrupt transition from the species that comprised population (B) and the initial population of (A) to the species which comprised the population (A) at the time of geographic breakout.... Is that mechanism enough for you? [This message has been edited by joz, 03-04-2002]
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joz Inactive Member |
Well it was just a simple definition of how punk eek works gleaned from actually reading up on what it is (unlike Theo apparently)...
I did a quick search on askjeeves and found this though:
http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/punk_eek.html Enjoy....
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: I already did a couple of times... "How about a small geographically and genetically isolated population (A) evolves faster than a large population where genes must take longer to reach fixation (B)... at some point the population (A) overcomes the geographical isolation and being more evolved to suit the environment supplants the population (B).... What we see in the fossil record unless we get very lucky and dig in the area of geographic confinement is an abrupt transition from the species that comprised population (B) and the initial population of (A) to the species which comprised the population (A) at the time of geographic breakout.... Is that mechanism enough for you?" You seem to have failed to understand the bit that says positive mutations reach fixation in a small geographicaly and geneticaly isolated population faster than in a large geographicaly unconstrained population.... Hence you don`t understand why the isolated population evolves faster than the large sister population...
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Actually Punk eek is a Darwinian idea... "Charles Darwin wrote in 1859: Only a small portion of the world has been geologically explored. Only organic beings of certain classes can be preserved in a fossil condition, at least in any great number. Widely ranging species vary most, and varieties are often at first local, -- both causes rendering the discovery of intermediate links less likely. Local varieties will not spread into other and distant regions until they are considerably modified and improved; and when they do spread, if discovered in a geological formation, they will appear as if suddenly created there, and will be simply classed as new species.The Origin of Species, Chapter 14, p.439"
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joz Inactive Member |
quote: Firstly that would be the tendency for matter to become on average more disordered in the whole system Its a violation of entropy in the same way as cleaning a room is, you know you go through the room cleaning and at the end the ammount of disorder in the room has decereased, have you violated the 2LOT then? The answer is you haven`t because the entropy of the universe as a whole has increased (or at best remained the same).... Life is a similar case sure the ammount of disorder is decreasing, but we also happen to be given energy from the sun to play with, ie while entropy decreases here it increases in the universe as a whole.... Ergo no problem with 2LOT.....
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