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Author Topic:   Studying the supernatural
New Cat's Eye
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Message 101 of 207 (635161)
09-27-2011 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Modulous
09-22-2011 2:00 PM


Can science even investigate the supernatural?
Honestly, I don't know.
If we assume that the supernatural does exist, then it seems that science simply cannot investigate it (else why hasn't it). Of course, on the other hand the supernatural may simply not exist.
But I don't see how we can infer from what science has/can investigated about that which it has/can not. It doesn't follow.
I don't really like the term "supernatural" though, because it doesn't impart a lot of meaning to me. As you question, does it imply an intrinsic property or is it simply assigned as a placeholder for one that is yet to be revealed? I don't think we can scientifically answer that question.
I prefer the term "paranormal".
So lets say we have some supernatural/paranormal activity, how about the Burning Bush? -- its on fire but its not being consumed. And us scientistist are studying it... but everything we can determine suggests that the bush should be being consumed by the fire and we have no explanation for how it could not be, and yet.. it isn't being consumed. So then what? You just leave it as "we don't know what's happening here". What's the purpose of assigning some property of "supernatural" to it? Esspecially if it doesn't add any meaning to our explanation? At least the term paranormal implies "this isn't normal", i.e. we have no explanation.
Their only source of information about this realm is via a detection system that we know is prone to false positives (the human mind)
Wait, how do we know that's the only source?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 106 of 207 (635245)
09-28-2011 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by Modulous
09-27-2011 1:30 PM


Notice that I started the paragraph with a conditional: If the 'Intrinsically, no' people are right - there is no way they can know they are right.
I see, I did read you wrong (it looked like a second premise for some reason that I can't find upon rereading ).
So now what?

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 111 of 207 (635311)
09-28-2011 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Percy
09-28-2011 2:52 PM


Re: Newsweek Article
If if it's this last possibility, how do we tell the difference between the supernatural on the one hand, and the natural that we haven't explained yet on the other?
In my opinion, its when what we do find contradicts what we know that raises the big red flag. The bush is burning, but its not being consumed; and that's fucked up. Something wacky is definately going on...
But we still haven't established that its something supernatural, and I don't see how we could ever do that.

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New Cat's Eye
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Message 167 of 207 (636156)
10-04-2011 11:31 AM
Reply to: Message 165 by 1.61803
10-04-2011 11:08 AM


Re: Harold Camping Predictions
To date nothing has been shown to be supernatural as there are either naturalist explainations or out right debunked.
... or remains a mystery.
That does not imo mean SOMETHING outside of our abilities to verify is NOT taking place.
Esspecially in light of all that we don't know.

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