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Coyote
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Message 9 of 40 (643017)
12-03-2011 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Dr Adequate
12-03-2011 9:27 PM


Re: Threshold questions
The article as a whole contains nineteen ellipses and fifteen quotations that start in the middle of a sentence. While lesser creationists cherry-pick paragraphs and sentences, these guys are cherry-picking clauses --- and they still have to lie about the meaning of the quotations they produce by this butchery.
When it comes to science, creationists have to lie. Science not only doesn't agree with their beliefs, it directly contradicts them.
In order to live with themselves they have to start with self-delusion and then try to get everyone else to buy into their fantasies. If that requires them to distort, misrepresent, or ignore scientific evidence then that's a minor problem--they know their beliefs are correct, so what's the difference?
What the creationist websites do is just apologetics, and has no relation to science whatever. They aren't even qualified to address science, as their beliefs and approach are diametrically opposed to both the scientific method and the results of scientific research.
Doesn't stop them of course.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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Message 11 of 40 (643027)
12-03-2011 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by NoNukes
12-03-2011 10:24 PM


Re: Apologists and other liars
Apologetics is not supposed to be a bad word. Apologetics means logic based defenses of theology, although those defenses need not be science based. Many true apologetics arguments do contain flaws and bad science, but lying and distortion and slanted truth is not traditional apologetics.
In particular, quote-mining isn't apologetics. Quote mining is lying.
From Wiki: Apologetics (from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense") is the discipline of defending a position (often religious) through the systematic use of reason. So in this you are correct.
However, what the creationist websites present is a modern, and significantly different, version of apologetics: it involves all sorts of misrepresentations, quote-mines, willful ignorance, and outright lies. The goal is to reinforce religious beliefs at all costs, and to spread those beliefs to those who can't spot the lies. There is no regard for scientific accuracy. The only goal is to gloss over, misrepresent, or flat out lie about those things that contradict their religious beliefs.
I realize this is a bit off topic, but this is what I've seen in a lot of creationist websites. Radiocarbon dating is one of my fields, and what they dredge up to try to discredit radiocarbon dating is simply amazing. It has taught me to distrust anything they publish.

Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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