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Message 11 of 117 (63665)
10-31-2003 1:43 PM

I have a real difficulty with the phrase "The universe is fine-tuned for life."I could accept the Earth is fine-tuned for life as that does make sense but when I look at the universe there is this enormous amount of space deadly in the extreme to any form of life as we know it and only this vanishlingly small planet of ours that life exists to our present knowledge.
Why would anyone except in a narrow view of things assume this phrase to be true?

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Message 38 of 117 (63792)
11-01-2003 10:09 AM

Reply to: Message 37 by mike the wiz
11-01-2003 8:23 AM

You cannot seriously believe that the Big Bang is even remotely similar to explosions we produce here on earth.If so you should read up the actual ideas behind what the BB constitutes and you will understand that the comparisons is invalid.try this website.
http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm

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Message 103 of 117 (64485)
11-04-2003 11:52 PM

Perhaps I am missing something from this debate.Is it the consensus of most posters here that the universe is fine tuned? I fail to see how,even though the properties of the universe are neccesary to allow for this universe we exist in,this tiny speck of water and dirt could be considered as part of a fine tuning for life when the incomphensibly vast expanses of the universe are devoid of life.

If the rest of the planets in our solar system were teeming with life it would still be not even a drop in the bucket compared to the rest of the galaxy much less the cosmos.Life here on Earth is constantly riding on a razors edge and it is hardly inconcievable that one quick incoming asteroid or a close gamma ray burster could readily put our conjectures to rest.I think it is conceited to believe that the properties of the universe are neccesarily in place that life on Earth may flourish. To quote a great physicist "The stage is to big for the drama."

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Message 111 of 117 (64643)
11-05-2003 9:38 PM

Reply to: Message 106 by Rei
11-05-2003 2:01 PM

Rei

Concering your statement:

Just out of curiousity... when a person argues using one of the most fundamental of all known logical fallicies, is it best to simply not respond, or to try and reason with the aforementioned "brick wall"?

as it relates to the other statement by DNAunion

ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS EVIDENCE OF ABSENCE

I just wanted to make sure that the proper phrase is made available so I pulled this from a webpage covering Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit

appeal to ignorance -- the claim that whatever has not been proved false must be true, and vice versa (e.g., There is no compelling evidence that UFOs are not visiting the Earth; therefore UFOs exist -- and there is intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe. Or: There may be seventy kazillion other worlds, but not one is known to have the moral advancement of the Earth, so we're still central to the Universe.) This impatience with ambiguity can be criticized in the phrase: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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