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mike the wiz
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Message 1 of 117 (63592)
10-31-2003 8:36 AM


Is it not true that the universe seems to be just right for the possibility and indeed fact of life?
If the universe was any smaller or bigger would Oxygen be a certainty?
What about the effects of gravity aswell? I have recently heard about this 'Theory Of Everything'. The anti gravity force seems to be making the universe grow bigger , this opened a can of worms in the wiz box and so I am interested in learning more about space and time. (scientifically helpless)! With grade F confirmation.

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Message 4 of 117 (63606)
10-31-2003 9:22 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Dr Jack
10-31-2003 9:06 AM


Do you know anything about the gravitational consequences of an ubalanced life bowl?
Maybe if the stars dissapeared, it wouldn't matter for a few million years,- teach me

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Message 7 of 117 (63612)
10-31-2003 9:36 AM
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10-31-2003 9:24 AM


Lol, I meant universe, I shouldn't attempt to Bradify my words.- don't be fooled into thinking I have a brain, - remember the 'F'!
I guess I am more interested in what kind of effects would not have made life possible.

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Message 13 of 117 (63685)
10-31-2003 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by TechnoCore
10-31-2003 2:03 PM


'It does seem that life is fitted to the surroundings, and not the other way around.'
Well, why can't it be the other way around?
The fact is the universe is perfect FOR life on earth. If it's 99.9 whatever percent inhabitable, that would agree with my thoughts which are , that life on earth is probably the only life in the universe. If the universe was any different it would not be 'just right' which, as I see it CAN mean Creation , rather than an explosion which comes about by chance and somehow accidentally creates a perfect system. It just seems to fit nicely- and it does. 'It was very good'.

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Message 15 of 117 (63700)
10-31-2003 4:35 PM
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10-31-2003 4:19 PM


'Whatever reality life forms develop in, they will be immeasurably thankful that the laws of the universe were precisely in the way that they were.'
I agree, I too am thankful for God's intelligence. The gift of life I am also grateful to him for, despite my parents.

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Message 17 of 117 (63704)
10-31-2003 4:50 PM
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10-31-2003 4:38 PM


Oh, what have I not grasped?

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Message 19 of 117 (63707)
10-31-2003 5:01 PM
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10-31-2003 4:59 PM


Well, I only know one reality.

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Message 22 of 117 (63711)
10-31-2003 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by TechnoCore
10-31-2003 5:02 PM


'The second part is not.
You say: somehow a perfect system is accidentally created...'
You have misunderstood, or I wrote it wrong,
What I am saying is that it is not accidentally created e.g. big bang - big mess. But rather made by God.

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Message 23 of 117 (63712)
10-31-2003 5:11 PM
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10-31-2003 5:02 PM


Lol, my heads starting to wiz, maybe we should stick to the universe we are in for now, I like the idea that in another universe A Rei like creature could be creationist.

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Message 25 of 117 (63719)
10-31-2003 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by Rei
10-31-2003 5:17 PM


frightening.
Call me a plonker, but how do you link like that?
Is it those code thingies?
[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 10-31-2003]

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Message 27 of 117 (63723)
10-31-2003 5:44 PM
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10-31-2003 5:40 PM


Wow, good stuff, it's a shame I'm the worst pc user on earth when it comes to grasping this stuff.

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Message 37 of 117 (63785)
11-01-2003 8:23 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by TechnoCore
11-01-2003 7:00 AM


Now you have explained further, I understand how my comment might not have made sense. Ofcourse I am creationist, and admitt my views are creationist.You made Fair points, but I still think it can be the opposite. I still believe intelligent design. I also do not think you can get order from some sort of big bang, which I think would make a big mess. Did any bomb you have heard of create order.lol
Where's my new buddy Rei
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mike the wiz
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Message 39 of 117 (63794)
11-01-2003 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by sidelined
11-01-2003 10:09 AM


Did you notice the 'lol' at the end of the sentence. It's obviously not my 'big argument'. Good article, an explosion within space eh? So the bits can't go everywhere.
To be honest, I still dont think this explosion is the answer. I cannot accept that order could have came in the way it has, solar systems e.t.c

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Message 41 of 117 (63797)
11-01-2003 10:57 AM
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11-01-2003 10:44 AM


Where did this come from? I didn't mention science. We are debating at the evc. Scientists tell me things.
Hugh Ross would disagree. Infact his programme about the creation event indicates that I have no reason to believe in the big bang whatsoever. Infact his programme was very scientific, and it made a lot of sense.
'Just understand that they have no science behind them at all. None, zip,nada.'
As far as I am concerned the big bang is a belief you hold, not me.
'you haven't put an once of real effort into understanding it means nothing outside of your tightly bounded view of the world.'
Unecessary comment, message 1 was a question, have you read it. Now why would I ask a question Ned? Could it be to know more about it? and I know more already. Sidelined gave me a website. You were correct to say I can believe what I will, I'm not a total fool and most of the time my mind is open.

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mike the wiz
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Message 42 of 117 (63798)
11-01-2003 11:01 AM
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11-01-2003 10:44 AM


Is it not true that the universe seems to be just right for the possibility and indeed fact of life? - answered
If the universe was any smaller or bigger would Oxygen be a certainty? - not answered
What about the effects of gravity aswell? - not answered
-These sound like questions to me. Maybe I should go elsewhere though. Maybe I included the word 'creation' in these questions and just didn't notice.

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