The Antecedent Probability Principle, the Proportional Principle & Carl Sagan

There is no need to expound on this point to the length you have. You becoming old enough has nothing to do with NoNukes point. His point was as children with no knowledge of something we accept that there could be knowledge out there that goes beyond our childlike thinking even tho we don't know what it is. That's the analogy. You growing up does not give you a better understanding of the unknown. We will always have childllike thinking when it comes to the unknown. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

I didn't mean the length of words, I meant to say taking the point to far. And yeah, I probably got it all wrong what NoNukes meant. I guess i missed it.Then i'll say it myself. As a child we think like children. It doesn't mean that that's where the knowledge ends. And if the SN is real (Which I believe it is) then to me it's the same thing. Our finite minds now, cannot grasp the SN world. It doesn't mean it doesnt exist and it doesn't mean that miracles don't happen. Maybe not all miracles can be recognized by people as such. It doesn't mean there are no miracles happening just because we don't understand them.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

What is your definition of miracles? If something happened to me that is out of the ordinary, and I was praying for it, how is that unevidenced? What do you arttibute it to? Luck? Coincidence?You can take my word for it can't you? Just like you did your moms with the iron? Of course, but you trust your mom about the iron right? Maybe not some mom you never met but you do in fact trust somebody. I don't get it. Are you saying no ones ever been brough back to life after they died?

Seriously? So you think as long as something is being explored it's rational then no matter what is being explored? Then whats the problem you're having with miracles?NoNukes asked why you think exploring string theory is rational. Surley you don't think it's rational just because they are exploring it right? What are your reasons?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Yeah, and that's the problem. What current evidence is there for string theory? About the same as miracles? Yet you say it's rational to explore string theory, why?

So your rationale is based on the process and not the thing being investigated or explored?Apply what to miracles? The same approach that is applied to string theory? Why? With all things being equal there can be the same process of investigation into miracles as string theory. Just different methods. Can it not?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

I'm not trying to prove to you miracles exist, even tho I believe they do. We're talking about whats rational or not.What do you consider to be miraculous? The miraculous can cross over into the natural or how else would we be able to know it exists? The SN and the natural are compatable with eachother not incompatable.People die then come back to life sometimes and we don't know why exactly all time time regardless how it happened. How are you defining miraculous?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

-bold mineCan you give us some of that evidence?Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.

Unevidenced claims is what we are comparing. Is dismissing something like miracles irrational to do because at the moment there is insufficiant evidence to suggest they may occur?Is dismissing string theory at the moment irrational because there is insufficiant evidence to suggest that it is the answer to the universe? Unevidenced ones based on insufficiant evidence. I don't believe it's irrational to investigate miracles when other unevidenced claims are also being investigated.

No, actually it's not really that funny. You don't seem to understand what miracles are. You seem to think they are things that happen in horror movies apperantly.

This is from the OP. So is it your postion that miracles cannot exist?Is it also your position that if the SN exists it cannot defy natural laws?Do you claim that miracles cannot exist because the SN does not exist?

Since it's your thread, can you define miracle before I give an example?I have prayed for healing for myself before and I was healed. Is that a miracle?