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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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Straggler writes: This is very off-topic but if the Tea Party are "normal" people how did the democrats with Obama at their helm win the last two general elections? Can't you see the Tea Party voter in the booth (closet), realizing the full secrecy of the ballot, and thinking, "I'd rather vote for the negro than that effin' Mormon..." I can. I told all and sundry there was no way an enthusiastic conservative Christian tide could wash the Angel Moroni, the golden tablets and the special underwear off of Romney. That's my analysis, and I'm sticking to it. And given the massive tax avoidance/evasion that Romney managed (the obvious reason he wouldn't release more tax returns), this isn't really off-topic."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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You are so cute with your questions! The easy answer is that full reveal is in his tax returns, which Romney refused to disclose--in contravention of political custom and his father's precedent.
Or we could note that in the two years worth of returns he did release, he paid only about 15% on millions, using the loophole-the-size-of-the-deficit, Bush tax cut capital gains rate for the wealthy. But we can do better than that. Let's start with his Individual Retirement Account, created and funded entirely during his years with Bain Capital. These accounts were created to encourage middle-class earners to provide for their own retirement, since pensions are so passe. This occurred during a time when the limit for an SEP-IRA annual contribution--funded entirely by an employer--was $30,000. AbE: Regular wage earners were limited to about $6000 in annual IRA contributions. Some background from Bloomberg:
quote: The short answer is that he took advantage of leveraged buyouts to put nominally "low value" stocks into his IRA, knowing that the shedding of debt and workers that typified the Bain Capital approach would rapidly balloon those values up to their real world value. Smart? Sure. The actions of a fully engaged capitalist invested in the health of his own nation's economy? Hardly. Legal? There are strong opinions both ways, but the IRS has little interest in pursuing any investigation that might appear as post-election persecution. A familiar pattern? You bet. He testified in divorce court for his friend, the founder of Staples, on the scant value to be found in Staples stocks--and created a special class of low value Staples stock to be used to payoff the former Mrs. Founder. Will that do for starters? Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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So, in the first reply I addressed the Olympic quality of Romney's tax avoidance, using mechanisms that skirt the boundary of legality.
The New York Times' Michael Graetz took a hard look at what Romney's meager tax record releases showed. I'll provide a lengthy quote, since NYT has a paywall, and I cannot improve on Mr. Graetz's reporting.
quote: Read this part again, slowly: "According to a partner at Mr. Romney’s trustee’s law firm, valuing carried interests, such as Mr. Romney’s interests in the private equity company Bain Capital, at zero for gift tax purposes was common advice given to clients like Mr. Romney in the 1990s and early 2000s." Dodge the gift tax by declaring the value of the gift (worth many millions) to be zero. And it wasn't just Romney, it was commonly done by people in his economic class. That's not tax avoidance, that's tax evasion, carefully crafted in a tax area rarely subjected to IRS review. He should be audited. He won't be."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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Omnivorous Member Posts: 3991 From: Adirondackia Joined: Member Rating: 6.9
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fey writes: Go ahead and knock my rating down to 1 all of you communist hellbound degenerates. You can all go to hell as far as I am concerned. You sure seem to be fascinated by us degenerates...so fascinated you just can't stay away, even after you run to your room and slam the door. Foreveryoung, are you having...impure thoughts? I just wondered because that might explain why you run about hooting like a chimp and smearing your own feces all over the walls. What kind of mother a kid would have to have to act like that I just don't know. I wasn't going to say anything because I thought you were perhaps a troubled soul. Now I think you're just a fuckwit. NB: If you click on my name (that's the shiny cyan...ah, blue... thing in the upper left corner of my post, Master 136), you can get a list of all my posts. Then you can run and hoot and smear most efficiently, jeering them all. Be sure to wash your hands. Make your mother proud."If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."
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