Rei, Why does worship concern you?

Yea, there is a bit of a nasty tendancy for both sides to attack the others a bit sharply. I think it should be avoided.But most of us understand that an attack on what we happen to believe or how we think about things isn't necessarily a personal attack. We also aren't so thin skinned as to take anything posted here personally.In the case of a specific belief in a supernatural deity there are those here who don't take that seriously. So what? Why should they?Then there are those who don't take any interest in science. They can choose to do that. If they want to debate with those who do that's ok too.However, I, for one, don't really care to debate about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or anything about the nature of a diety that can not be determined by any methods I have ever heard of. It is, based on the huge disagreements between the self-professed believers, a waste of time. It always seems to come down to "cause I say so". (see how often Buzsaw tells us that the other Christians and other faiths are wrong for example) So we can leave everyone to believe what they want.If, however, one of the believers thinks they have something to say about scientific facts, logic or explanatory theories then they have decided to play the game of science. It has some rules. They take on the need to support themselves with good data and logic. That's more fun.SameDifference appears to what to discuss theology. Rei, apparently, isn't all that interested in taking what s/he has said so far very seriously. Samedifference only wants to discuss things on her/her terms and is leaving otherwise. Fine, there will be a place for them elsewhere.

And it is just as obvious to all the others that their god is the only real one. And they have just exactly as much "real", "historical" evidence as you do.

Maybe Rei has pretty much finished with the topic you orginally posted. That was pretty much done with her first reply.You brought up the "evidence". I guess that is off topic. Would you like to have her start another one? Or are you finished?

Actually there are a number of them. There are also a number of ex worshippers. You might carry on that discussion with some of them.Rei, as all of us, does like to argue. No surprise there.However, as Rei pointed out it is kind of silly to discuss worshipping with someone who isn't interested in worshipping.

I suppose Rei might not. I don't which is why I usually stay out of the complicated theological discussions. (Not completely of course, too darned opinionated for that )Now if the religious folks would just stay out of science classrooms we could all peacefully co-exist.[This message has been edited by NosyNed, 12-08-2003]

Good choice!!!! skiing sounds just right and if I have sublime experinces, skiing is one of them. But I'm not sure that fits the usual definition of worship.