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Author Topic:   All the Gods. What man has created let no man credit to unworthy Gods.
NoNukes
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Message 10 of 20 (735220)
08-07-2014 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Greatest I am
08-07-2014 9:31 AM


Do you agree that it is men and not Gods who are discriminating against our own women and gays even as we lay the blame on God?
There are a number of exceptions to the general rule. While Jesus did not oppose every evil of his day, he certainly does not seem to be the God the Jews would have chosen. And his description is of a matter who was far better man than most, if not all of us.
I think we could make similar claims for Siddhartha Gautama (Buddha).
think we should stop blaming imaginary Gods and step up to our own collective human guilt and shame
Stop blaming gods, imaginary or otherwise. Of course. But as for collective human guilt? No, I am not response for your screw ups. I have enough to handle bearing responsibility for what I've caused.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 11 of 20 (735238)
08-07-2014 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Greatest I am
08-07-2014 11:22 AM


Constantine wanted to be the next Man/God real bad and likely why he forced the Trinity concept down his churches throat.
Explain the logic behind your statement. Constantine pushes a doctrine that there is only a single God, Yahweh. What does that leave for Constantine?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 15 of 20 (735279)
08-09-2014 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Greatest I am
08-09-2014 4:55 PM


Constantine, by putting the Trinity into Christianity, allowed a path for him to take to, as other emperors before him, to declare himself to be a God.
I asked you how such a path was provided and your answer is just to repeat your assertion.
Explain, in your own words, how the Trinity Doctrine provided an opening for Constantine to do what other emperors had done presumably without taking such a step.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 16 of 20 (735280)
08-09-2014 5:08 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Greatest I am
08-09-2014 4:50 PM


We are all responsible to each other.
Sorry. I don't even know you. So no, I'm not responsible for you.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 18 of 20 (735305)
08-10-2014 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by Greatest I am
08-10-2014 9:09 PM


Well, the reality is most Christians do buy into the trinity doctrine because of persecution of the early Gnostics and non-Trinitarians, and the religious councils were dissenters were forced to agree to a Trinitarian theology.
I yield. I cannot engage you in fruitful discussion. I can find nothing in your long post that addresses the question I asked. I think that means you win.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I have never met a man so ignorant that I couldn't learn something from him. Galileo Galilei
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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