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Topic: Burials
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Personally, I've left instructions in my will to be cremated and have my ashes put into the head of a rocket (firework) and fired off over the sea. Cemetaries are indeed silly.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 4 of 94 (736313)
09-06-2014 3:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by NoNukes 09-06-2014 2:44 PM
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NoNukes writes: If in fact such a thing is silly, I said cemetries are silly, I didn't say places of rememberance were. My dad's ashes are scattered on a hill that I regularly walk.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 35 of 94 (736384)
09-08-2014 1:11 PM
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Reply to: Message 23 by Faith 09-08-2014 2:38 AM
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What's the difference between vulture food and worm food? And if god can put us back together no matter what, what is your argument?
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 54 of 94 (736418)
09-10-2014 3:32 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Faith 09-09-2014 11:29 PM
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People have exactly the same feelings about other human beings lives and deaths as they always have. The knowledge that we're stardust and to star dust we'll return regardless of how we dispose of our dead bodies makes no difference to our feelings for each other and our reverence for lives well lived. All you're wailing about as usual is that others are able to think and do things that you personally don't like. Edited by Tangle, : No reason given.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 59 of 94 (736496)
09-10-2014 6:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Faith 09-10-2014 4:13 PM
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Faith writes: we are spirit and body and only the body returns to dust, Well yes. That's why it's more than a little puzzling why you think it matters what happens to the body. It matters not whether worms, vultures, fungus or fire turn the body to dust because, as you've said, God can fix it.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 73 of 94 (736542)
09-11-2014 6:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Faith 09-10-2014 11:46 PM
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Faith writes: I haven't been discussing this from a theological point of view. The only reason to note that Christian theology sees us as spirit and body is as a counter to the idea that we can be reduced entirely to material food for worms and vultures, which is the viewpoint I consider to be least respectful of humanity qua humanity. By comparison most cultures up until recently have recognized a soul or spirit, and again, I didn't even mention Christianity as part of my basic argument on this subject. Except that you said this:
Faith writes: There is an opinion among some Christians that burial is to be preferred to cremation because we are immortal souls whose bodies will eventually be resurrected and joined with our souls in a new glorified form, so we should preserve the body until that day. Even unbelievers will be reunited with their bodies, though not in glorified form. I don't think it matters as far as the reality of being reunited with your body goes whether you are buried or cremated or burned at the stake. God will know how to put us all back together no matter what condition the body ends up in.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Tangle
Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: 10-07-2011 Member Rating: 4.8
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Message 80 of 94 (736642)
09-11-2014 6:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Faith 09-11-2014 9:43 AM
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Faith writes:
ABE: I guess you think I'm discussing it from a theologicial point of view after saying I wasn't. I don't think so. Just mentioning one theological opinion isn't making a theological issue of the whole thing. As you correctly, but belatedly, noticed, you produced a theological argument but said you hadn't. That's normal for you, you forget what you've said as soon as you've said it then have to invent an explanation when it's pointed out to you.
Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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