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Author Topic:   Raise Minimum Wage? Progressive Taxes? Let the Rich Decide!
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Message 19 of 57 (740377)
11-04-2014 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Jon
11-01-2014 3:25 PM


The rich seem to know what is best for their money; it's about time we let them decide what the U.S. does with it.
Are we forgetting a certain world wide economic crash that was caused by the sub-prime mortgage crisis? What the rich have shown is that they will sacrifice the long term stability of the economy for short term gains.

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Message 20 of 57 (740378)
11-04-2014 12:47 PM
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11-03-2014 7:32 PM


Re: Let the theives decide how they should be punished?
Bullshit.
Do you think Paris Hilton has great business acumen? Do you think she has worked harder in her life than someone making minimum wage?

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Message 21 of 57 (740379)
11-04-2014 12:54 PM
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11-04-2014 8:34 AM


Re: Let the theives decide how they should be punished?
Build computers for someone else, obviously.
Imagine all of those workers in the early 1800's just sitting around waiting for someone to invent the computer.

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Message 23 of 57 (740388)
11-04-2014 1:26 PM
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11-04-2014 12:58 PM


Re: Let the theives decide how they should be punished?
Why shouldn't he be allowed to do with his money what he wants to? Including passing it on to his children, and his children's children?
Laws have always regulated what one can do with their money.
Also, I was pointing out that having a lot of money is not a true indicator of one's business sense. Tthe wealth held by the most wealthy is not always a good thermometer of the health of the economy.
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Message 40 of 57 (740559)
11-05-2014 6:31 PM
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11-05-2014 12:56 PM


Re: cooperation rather than mini-kingdoms
I see sweat equity as equal in value to investment equity -- both want the company to succeed, workers so they get (and keep) a job with a growing return on their investment just as investors want a return on their equity.
There are many employee owned companies, there are many co-ops, and both show an alternative to the 'mini-kingdom' corporation model.
More importantly, there are labor unions. The busting of unions by conservative movements is, in my opinion, the main reason why we see a widening gap between worker and business owner. Labor unions were born out of a period where there were predatory labor practices, such as paying employees in company money. It could be argued that labor unions did grow too powerful, but the backlash has tipped the balance too far to the side of corporations in my estimation.
We also need trade protections for labor. I only know enough about economics to be dangerous, but trade laws are a really interesting topic to me. It makes sense to charge massive tariffs on imported goods from China so that we stop losing jobs to manufacturing in China. At the same time, how would we react to more expensive goods?
Social justice also plays a part in this whole discussion. We can all acknowledge the basic feelings of jealousy between haves and have nots, but that is not what I am talking about. Rather, our democracy is now run by money. The more money you have, the more influence you have over what laws are passed. That is a problem. As the wealth gap increases, more and more political power will be concentrated into fewer and fewer hands and away from the populace.
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Message 45 of 57 (742175)
11-17-2014 5:35 PM
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11-04-2014 10:47 PM


Re: Let the theives decide how they should be punished?
And that means that your model of people earning more money and buying more stuff to fuel economic activity doesn't necessarily work.
However, a pyramid scheme does work . . . for the 1% of earners at the top of the pyramid. Even then, if the top of the pyramid goes bust they can use their political power to have the bottom 99% bail them out, and then assume their position at the top of the pyramid once again.

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