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Genomicus
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Message 5 of 29 (778279)
02-18-2016 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
02-18-2016 5:44 PM


Is there any valid evidence that illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a greater rate than US citizens or legal aliens?
No, and those who claim otherwise are either grossly misinformed or prejudiced.
The only evidence that is propped up for this myth are claims like this, which has been the approach of Ann Coulter and other right-wingers:
"While illegal immigrants account for about 3.5 percent of the U.S population, they represented 36.7 percent of federal sentences in FY 2014 following criminal convictions, according to U.S. Sentencing Commission data."
Such claims fail to consider that the incarceration data is bound to be skewed because a great many of undocumented immigrants sentenced by federal courts is not for violent crime. Hagan and Palloni (1999; "Sociological Criminology and the Mythology of Hispanic Immigration and Crime") have outlined evidence that existing immigration and criminal justice policies inflate Hispanic incarceration rates. Furthermore, the Pew Hispanic Center reports that:
"Among unauthorized immigrants sentenced in federal courts in 2012, 68% were convicted of 'unlawfully entering or remaining in the United States,' 19% were sentenced for drug offenses, 7% were sentenced for other immigration related offenses and the remainder (6%) were sentenced for other crimes."
From: "The Rise of Federal Immigration Crimes."
So there is no evidence at all that undocumented immigrant commit violent crimes at a higher rate than U.S. citizens. On the contrary, in fact, there is a large body of scholarly research that incontrovertibly suggests that undocumented immigrants commit crime at a lower rate -- and significantly, that undocumented immigrants function in a sociobiological context to reduce the overall violent crime rate.
Here's a brief sampling of the relevant literature on the subject, all of which provide evidence that immigrants (undocumented and authorized immigrants alike) do not commit violent crimes at a higher rate than U.S. citizens:
Rumbaut, R.G., 2008. Undocumented Immigration and Rates of Crime and Imprisonment: Popular Myths and Empirical Realities.
Wadsworth, T., 2010. Is Immigration Responsible for the Crime Drop? An Assessment of the Influence of Immigration on Changes in Violent Crime Between 1990 and 2000.
Rumbaut, R.G., Ewing, W.A., 2007. The Myth of Immigrant Criminality and the Paradox of Assimilation.
Stowell, J., Messner, S., McGeever, K., Raffalovich, L., 2009. Immigration and the Recent Violent Crime Drop in the United States: A Pooled, Cross-Sectional Time-Series Analysis of Metropolitan Areas.
Akins, S., Rumbaut, R., Stansfield, R., 2009. Immigration, Economic Disadvantage, and Homicide: A Community-Level Analysis of Austin, Texas.
Zatz, M., Smith, H., 2012. Immigration, Crime, and Victimization: Rhetoric and Reality.
Kubrin, C., Ousey, G. Exploring the Connection between Immigration and Violent Crime Rates in U.S. Cities, 1980—2000*.
*Analysis of 159+ U.S. cities with population greater than 100,000, and study focused on Latino immigration. The total number of city-year observations in their multivariate models is 463. Results are statistically significant.
Kurin and Ousey (2009) examined homicides in large urban areas and found that cities with large undocumented populations had lower rates of homicide as compared to cities that did not have large numbers of undocumented people."
Relevant quote from the above paper:
A popular perception is that immigration causes higher crime rates. Yet, historical and contemporary research finds that at the individual level, immigrants are not more inclined to commit crime than the native born. Knowledge of the macro-level relationship between immigration and crime, however, is characterized by important gaps. Most notably, despite the fact that immigration is a macro-level social process that unfolds over time, longitudinal macro-level research on the immigration-crime nexus is virtually nonexistent. Moreover, while several theoretical perspectives posit sound reasons why over-time changes in immigration could result in higher or lower crime rates, we currently know little about the veracity of these arguments. To address these issues, this study investigates the longitudinal relationship between immigration and violent crime across U.S. cities and provides the first empirical assessment of theoretical perspectives that offer explanations of that relationship. Findings support the argument that immigration lowers violent crime rates by bolstering intact (two-parent) family structures.
Also see:
Lee, M., Martinez, R., 2009. Immigration reduces crime: an emerging scholarly consensus. Book Series: Sociology of Crime, Law and Deviance, 2009.
This is a meta-analysis of current literature on the subject. A comprehensive review of the literature — which has used a copious amount of research methodologies, statistical tests, and different approaches to the collection of data — lead the authors to conclude that immigrants do not increase the crime rate and in many cases actually suppresses it. This, then, prompted the authors to argue that there is an emerging consensus among the scholarly community that immigration — undocumented and otherwise — is not linked with increased crime rates.
That's just for starters.

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Genomicus
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Message 6 of 29 (778280)
02-18-2016 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
02-18-2016 6:09 PM


They are ILLEGAL.
No human is illegal. That's a disgusting and dehumanizing way to describe groups of people.

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Genomicus
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Message 7 of 29 (778281)
02-18-2016 10:01 PM
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02-18-2016 9:41 PM


No. It is not compassion to reward lawlessness. If you want to take care of the poor of the world, go to them. Go help them improve their own societies.
Okay, let me get this straight. The effects of U.S. political pressure, meddling, and corporate interests ignite massive drug wars in Mexico and Central America, driving crime rates and poverty up, giving families no other choice but to seek haven in the north, and you're calling them the lawless ones?

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Genomicus
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Message 26 of 29 (778918)
02-26-2016 1:59 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by NoNukes
02-26-2016 1:27 PM


Re: On the other hand
Apparently it is somewhat related to being an immigrant, because immigrants without legal status are unable to get driver's licenses in most states.
Many undocumented immigrants which qualify for DACA are able to get driver's licenses in a large number of states (with the exception of deeply conservative states, such as Texas).
And jar correctly implies that this issue -- undocumented immigrants being unable to get driver's licenses and insurance -- is the fault of the system, not the immigrants themselves.

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