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Author Topic:   Is there any evidence that illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a greater rate
jar
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Message 1 of 29 (778266)
02-18-2016 5:44 PM


Is there any valid evidence that illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a greater rate than US citizens or legal aliens? Even the Center for Immigration Studies, a lobby that opposes granting any for of legal status to illegal aliens at that testifies against reform consistently admits there is no such evidence.
quote:
"There's no evidence that immigrants are either more or less likely to commit crimes than anyone else in the population," Janice Kephart, a CIS researcher, said last week on the PBS NewsHour.
From USA TODAY 7:58 p.m. EDT July 16, 2015
So if there is no greater threat from illegal aliens than from "Joe who lives next door" is there a valid reason to claim they are a violent threat or to threat them differently from anyone else in the US?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 3 of 29 (778277)
02-18-2016 9:21 PM
Reply to: Message 2 by Faith
02-18-2016 6:09 PM


But should we not have compassion? Did Jesus not tell us to feed the children? Do illegals not need to eat, do they not pay taxes, do they not harvest our food, clean our homes, water our lawns, cut our grass and do so many of those menial jobs folk don't seem to want to do? Do they not pay into Social Security and Unemployment Compensation? As Christians should we not welcome those who come to strive for a better life, who flee oppression, intolerance, right wing despotism; who come and work and raise families and get educated and their kids become lawyers and doctors and run for President?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 10 of 29 (778300)
02-19-2016 7:30 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
02-18-2016 9:41 PM


Faith writes:
No. It is not compassion to reward lawlessness. If you want to take care of the poor of the world, go to them. Go help them improve their own societies.
How is not vilifying a whole population rewarding anyone?
How is recognizing legitimate needs a reward?

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jar
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Message 15 of 29 (778406)
02-19-2016 7:40 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Coragyps
02-19-2016 5:04 PM


And if he buys gas he pays taxes. And if he buys clothes he pays taxes. And if he buys shoes he pays taxes.
Edited by jar, : appalin spallin

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 19 of 29 (778551)
02-21-2016 11:19 AM
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02-21-2016 10:26 AM


The family across the street from me are Hispanic; the wife speaks flawless Spanish and English (and French) but the husband only Spanish. Of course she was born and raised in Mexico City while he was born right here in the Valley. As were his parents and grandparents.

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jar
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Message 21 of 29 (778607)
02-22-2016 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 20 by 14174dm
02-22-2016 11:16 AM


Re: On the other hand
If he is paid as a "contractor" rather than an employee, he doesn't have taxes withheld - social security, income (federal, state, local), Medicaid, etc.
Yet if he buys anything he still pays taxes.
Does he drive a car without insurance or proper licensing?
If he does, he is subject to the same sanctions as anyone who drives without a license or insurance.
Does he use the emergency room as he has no health insurance?
Many folk use the emergency room because they have no health insurance.

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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Message 23 of 29 (778696)
02-23-2016 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by 14174dm
02-23-2016 12:04 PM


Re: On the other hand
If he isn't paying all his taxes then either he or his employer or both are not paying their full share of the burden of running our country. Likely his employer is not paying the employer share of Social Security and cutting Victor's pay rate since Victor isn't paying taxes. So the employer is either able to undercut the competition or pocket more profit than the competition.
So the issue is the employer and not the immigrant. Got it.
If he is driving, I think there is a good chance he has neither license nor insurance. I could be wrong. He may be operating like some people in Appalachia. They just hope they doesn't get in an accident they can't drive away from. They make the people who do get insurance pay extra to cover those who don't think they can afford insurance (or would rather spend it on something else).
So again, the issue is not related to being an immigrant. Got it. And I do hope you might also realize that driving without a license or insurance is not unique to Appalachia.
So again, the topic is " Is there any evidence that illegal immigrants commit violent crime at a greater rate ". Do you have anything relevant regarding that subject?

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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jar
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From: Texas!!
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Message 29 of 29 (778922)
02-26-2016 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by New Cat's Eye
02-26-2016 2:27 PM


Re: On the other hand
Amen Brother...Preach the Gospel!!!!!

Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

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