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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 13 of 15 (81477)
01-29-2004 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by notsosure
01-28-2004 8:22 AM


Re: wating for password speaking
Tom,
You ought to be aware that there are agnostic prayers, such as:
"Christian God of truth and love, if you are out there, please forgive my ignorance of You, and make my wife and I love each other more and more each day. Keep us together peacefully for the rest of our lives. Amen."
There is a lot of data showing that religious practise in general, and praying together in particular, makes marriages better, especially sexier. ("Couples that pray together, stay together." was actually confirmed, I think, back in the early 70's.) Might make your wife feel better, since her religion makes her suspicious that you might "hate" God, who she loves, putting her under pressure. And, in my experience, when I was agnostic and prayed these sorts of prayers, things got better. Marital things.
Stephen

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Stephen ben Yeshua
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Message 15 of 15 (81506)
01-29-2004 2:28 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Dr Jack
01-29-2004 11:43 AM


Re: wating for password speaking
Mr. Jack,
That's a very interesting web-site, updating my information from the 70's. Thank you.
As I (dimly) recall the magazine article with the previous study, they made the point that, it was actually praying together that generated the longer "staying together." The Christian group that did the study noted that, denomination wide, divorce rates were as high or higher than "normal." But, that within the denomination, those that prayed together had much lower rates. Sort of like the stats the site presents for pastors.
You may not be aware of my other posts on this matter, but in my own efforts to know who is telling the truth and who is lying, I find the worse hypocrisy in the Christian church. Hence my refusal to call myself a Christian, despite the box that others here want so badly to place me in. This is actually, it turns out, stated in the Bible, where "those who build with straw" have their works burned up, while they themselves are saved. That is, pastors who fill their churches with hypocrites may themselves be saved, even though all their church members "burn up." And what does it mean to be "of straw." The passage is in the midst of a discussion that condemns any believer calling themselves "of Christ" or Christian. (1 Corinth 1:12-4:6)
The survey you sent us to, of course, doesn't distinquish between those who became a believer because of a divorce, those who got divorced because they were married to an evil partner, whom God got rid up when they converted (See Eccl 7:26), and those who married in the church, as two born-again believers. But, I really would predict that anyone calling themselves a Christian, especially fundamentalist Christian, has several strikes against them for a happy, prosperous life. These strikes may be partly overcome by exercising certain religious practises, reading the Bible, prayer, and attending services being the most important.
But it's hypocrisy that ruins our lives, more than anything, in my opinion.
Stephen

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