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Phat Member  Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
Theodoric, off on another name-calling rant writes: I beg your pardon. I too have gay and transgender people in my own family. What's more, I work with several non-binary individuals. And finally, you don't even know me well enough to label me as anything apart from what I say. God forbid anyone ever have an opinion at EvC that differs from the secular humanist, progressive, and oh-so-politically correct group opinion of the peanut gallery! Because of fucks like you she struggles every day with her mental health.
At the age of 54 she started gender reassignment. She has known since he was 12 that she identified as a girl. And that's not what I am complaining about. Hey, when I was around 9 or 10, I loved to dress up in my mother's clothes. I wore her silky pantyhose and I imagined myself to be a proper English Lady by the name of Lady Dibblety. Nobody said anything to me about whether or not it was OK to be a woman or experience another gender outlook. My point is that if they had, it may well have encouraged me to take a different path. We need strong role model teachers...not insecure ones still searching for their own identity. That's all I meant. (Perhaps I am unduly influenced by conservatives like Ben Shapiro, I will admit.) I do not like the progressive platform at all, as it (you all) seeks to redefine the rules and rewrite human and social expression in its own image. Your first mistake was in dismissing the "God" idea in the first place. You need an authority higher than yourselves. All of the education in the world won't make you individually or collectively a replacement for a wise and loving Creator.
She has transitioned and identifies completely as a woman, but is still in a long-term (19-year) relationship with a woman. She was always happy seeming, but now she is gloriously happy. Also still the best Walleye fisherman and home mechanic I have ever known. Fair enough. You have a good story to tell. I would respect and have no problem with your friend. I will say, however, that there are many bad stories for every good one and that it is far too simplistic to blame the authoritarian and narrow-minded political Right.
So you think these people should not be allowed to be teachers(or probably even in public) because you and your religious ilk feel uncomfortable? No. If anything, all teachers need to learn more about psychology, sociology, and sensitivity. What my rant is directed at is the whole liberal idea that morality and personal expression should be based solely on feelings and societal norms. (which are fluid and ever-changing.) And I will say that many so-called "normal" teachers in the conservative camp usually have more skeletons in their own closets than do the progressives. They likely need sensitivity training even more than liberally minded teachers do...(in general)
Seeing and being around transgender people does not make kids change gender. No, but it makes it ok to do so. More kids will be encouraged to express their individuality and creativity with no input from their own parents. This may result in more than a few premature conclusions and mistakes which will hurt them later on. And to be fair, the same goes with children that are or were religiously indoctrinated by a teacher or authority figure/role model as well. HIding children in a bubble does not do them well in the long run. Nor does telling them that there is no standard higher than their own imagination, fed by a progressive culture with no leader.
Oh yeah fuck you. Back atcha old man. On my worst day, I could best you at chess, philosophy, and morality. But unlike you, I will never suggest that you live under a rock."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
My 13-year-old would kick your ass in chess. I struggle to beat him. Beautiful!  You have been a wise teacher to your offspring. More power to him."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Percy writes: I think that GDR respects you and the peanut gallery enough that he wants to form a consensus with you rather than fight you. He just struggles a bit to find the words that (he hopes) you will find agreeable enough to form a consensus with him and his belief. GDR writes: Either you're having a hard time keeping people's positions straight, or you're being purposefully irritating. You just keep repeating how you feel over and over again. That's not evidence, just a broken record. No one objects to anyone forming their own beliefs, but you've gone way beyond that. You've claimed objective reality for your beliefs, that there's evidence for them. Of course, it(The Bible) tells you nothing about what is true. If you read it again you'll see that it's not about what is true but about how subjective your beliefs are, how they're a product of the culture and religion in which you were raised, and not of evidence. You have acknowledged that the Bible is evidence...I, on the other hand, shoot from the hip. (or the lip  ) Is it possible to ever form a consensus so that GDR and myself can join the peanut gallery? Of course, at that point none of us would have anyone to argue with and would have to find fresh meat!  "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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tangle writes: Because my intuition tells me that tough times are ahead...for all of us, believer and non-believer alike. Granted my intuition is NOT fact-based, though I could make an argument defending my rationale for...what you call doom, doom, we are ALL doomed! So why aren't you being rational, reasonable, and fact-based? Why are you telling me what you believe like it matters to the discussion what you believe? We will hopefully survive this next great depression unless someone starts throwing nukes around (us included) but your nest egg will likely be cut in half...as will mine. So what does any of this have to do with a 2000-year-old myth? We defend the idea that our belief can and should stand side-by-side with your secular humanist rationality. If I can't trust my own intuition to at least some degree, I won't get far trusting ever changing data and random calculations.(speculations by the secular-minded)"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK writes: Seriously? Are you referring to the ArchAngel Michael? I fear that the Jehovah's Witnesses have zombified your brain. The “one like a son of man” is more likely meant to be Michael. If you are going to believe that Michael *could* have existed, why don't you believe the Gospel of John when it is clearly stated that Jesus *was* in the beginning? He was around even before Michael was created! You know what keeps you from believing? The critics (like jar) who attempted to demolish the idea of a Virgin Birth. If you are going to bring Michael up, at least be honest enough to realize that Jesus created Michael."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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 Touche"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 18354 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
I will readily admit that you know the Bible far better than I do. I respect you as a fellow human more than you think.
Keep in mind that these arguments are not meant to be personal. I am just engaging in a verbal joust based on what I believe."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK writes: Well if so, I would say that there were several things that Jesus did not know. He did not know when the end would come, for example. My apologetic defense of that is that Jesus was God's human character and was bound by time and the limitations of a linear revelation and perspective on life. Only GOD in Heaven knows precisely *when* an event will occur. This does not preclude that both are not One. It only points out that both, though One in Spirit is different in the framework of time vs eternity. (at least while Jesus was on earth) Another example is 2Peter 3:3. As you can see, it is Jesus who - according to GDR - doesn’t know when it will happen. 2 Peter 3:3-9 In other words, (my take on it) is that while scoffers, skeptics, and sanctimonious goobers are waiting on God, God is in fact waiting on *us* to get it together so that He can wrap things up and take us to the next level (no starship needed). 3 First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." 5 But they deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. 6 By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 7 By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. 8 But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord, a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. 9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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