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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
"We" don't ALL believe that. Not by a long shot. It's obviously nonsense. Miracles, for example, leave evidence. I differ in some ways as believers, but I think we all agree that the supernatural cannot ever leave evidence... Edited by ringo, : Spell[ing. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
No. There are not. All you believers ever do is re-state the "evidence that has already been refuted.
There are numerous counterarguments... Phat writes:
There are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than two political persuasions. ... many people of both political persuasions are believers...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
I did. One of the definitions of harpy is "a shrewish woman" Merriam-Webster and shrewish means "ill-natured, intractable". That's Faith all over.
You once referred to Faith (our member) as a harpy. Phat writes:
You have called Kamala Harris and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez "harpies". I assumed you got the word from your usual ultra-right-wing sources. I got it from you, however. And it's typical of you to use words without knowing what they mean.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
And there's another word you use without knowing the meaning.
There goes that Left authoritarianism again! Phat writes:
And now you're equating authoritarianism with holiness?
Not only have you used the word evidence as your holy mantra... Phat writes:
I gave an example illustrating that it is nonsense: Miracles leave evidence.
... you have the audacity to proclaim what is and is not nonsense. Phat writes:
At least salad is nutritious and can sometimes taste good if you have enough dressing. I prefer "nonsense" because it is neither nutritious nor tasty.
Theo prefers the term word salad which jar used to use often. Phat writes:
Then how do you know they happened? Also...not all miracles leave evidence. And it doesn't matter anyway. You said that miracles CANNOT EVER leave evidence Message 1481. As long as ANY miracle leaves evidence, you are wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong and WRONG.
Phat writes:
Hello? If 1,000 peple SAW it, that's eyewitness evidence. It's the worst possible evidence but it IS evidence.
You guys likely throw the reports out of any purported miracles that don't however...even if 1000 people saw it. Phat writes:
Learn what "authoritarian" means. ... liberal socialists becoming authoritarians because "they have to do it!" If I feel that I have to do something, that is NOT authoritarian.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
You should read that article and then apologize for calling me authoritarian. It in no way describes me.
Wiki defines it. Phat writes:
I didn't. We have never had a federal government that I voted for.
If you and the peanut gallery voted in a government... Phat writes:
"Authoritarian election" is an oxymoron. If you and the peanut gallery voted in a government that seized everyone's gold, as FDR did, that would be an authoritarian action. And FDR did save America from the depression.
Phat writes:
Most countries in the world did that. Even some states in your own backward nation did that. Governments can do things that aren't universally popular without being authoritarian. China is run by Socialists. Note how they lock people down against their will "ostensibly" for the good of the people.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Funny you should say that. World War II ended the Depression because of enormous government expenditures. More precisely, (and according to Dalio's model) World War II rescued America from the Great Depression. And how is "rescued" more precise than "saved"?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Which is why everybody should be skeptical all the time. Don't trust your own instincts. See what other people think. If you can't reason out your own ideas, you may be wrong. Confirmation bias exists in atheists as well as believers.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
That's a false equivalence. God told his preferred people to massacre the "stepchildren".
But if you are implying that God preferred one people over others, why is that a bad thing? I'm not Jewish, but I have no problem being a stepchild. Phat writes:
In that case, Abraham chose his preferred son over his legitimate hier - and God told Abraham to kill his preferred son. What's your point? And what about Isaac and Ishmael?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I am not keeping any of your made-up rubbish in mind. If you are referencing the OT, keep in mind that there were no stepchildren at that point. The adoption papers were not signed until the crucifixion.... Your idea of Christians being step-children doesn't work. It would require God to reject His Chosen People unless they too accepted the resurrection of Jesus. You're fantasizing a Father who adopts you and disowns His natural children.
Phat writes:
Duh! He was the oldest son. And how on earth was Ishmael the legitimate heir?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
You answered your own question.
... we need to nail down the definition of "expert" and apply that to the overall discussion regarding choosing a faith. I can grant you the fact that an expert by definition is trained academically in the field of discipline related specifically to a category. Phat writes:
Speaking for myself, I don't need a spokesperson.
Whom would you list as the best spokespersons for "atheists"... Phat writes:
One of our great Newfoundlander comedians, Mary Walsh, has a character named Marg Delahunty. The closest I could come would be Matt Dillahunty....Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
We're convinced you're a loon by what you write, not by the links you post.
... you guys are convinced I am but a loon! Phat writes:
Nonsense, of course. Believers would retort that *important information* is always recalled...Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Phat writes:
Default is default, period. When you buy Windows, you get default settings, period. Anything that fits your personal preferences is an option.
But you are making secularism the default option. Which I suppose it is...for you. But what about us? Phat writes:
Been there, done that, the T-shirt doesn't fit any more, answered your question more than once. My beef, however, is that if you had an experience, epiphany, intuition or inner unction one or more times that demonstratedly changed your life and worldview without being brainwashed by Religion...since you would have nevergiven religion that opportunity...then what? Grew out of it.
Phat writes:
Please do.
Are we (secularist psychologists and critics) simply to lump you in as a mild delusional mental case? Phat writes:
Beg all you want. You're still delusional. I beg to differCome all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
For the same reason they would not be illiterate? Why on earth (and perhaps in Heaven, far far away) would a person not be credulous?Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
In every thinking mind. So in your mind, being skeptical is better than being assured. You've been around EvC long enough to know that science is tentative. You've been around Evc long enough to have heard that ignorance is often paired with arrogance. Being "assured" is very bad.
Phat writes:
Untill you can SHOW us the difference, you are just blowing smoke. Neither is the spaghetti Monster, Bigfeet, Allah, or Stephen Hawking. This is a multiple choice test. Choose Wisely. Edited by ringo, . Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Stop repeating that tripe. YOU are the one who falls for every YouTube video that comes along. if they don't stand for something(God) they will fall for anything.(gods) Thats my take, anyway.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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