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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Space did not and cannot be curved, the energy that brought you the message [light] was bent by gravity. There is no gravity, much like there is no spoon. There is only straight-line motion through curved space. How could shooting a particle at an atom move it towards you? Particle conceptions of gravity are deeply flawed. Only bent spacetime removes the contradictions of gravity. (See, I can get dogmatic, too.)
Incidentally, you make simple catagoric errors like that Errors? Or observations? Your position contradicts observation, therefore it is rejected. [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-30-2004]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
My position is confirmed observation and also attributes it to real objects and forces. There's no such thing as "force", only particle exchange. Gravity makes no sense as a particle exchange, but only as curvature of spacetime. Since we observe the effects of gravity, and since gravity can only be curved spacetime and not a particle exchange, and since there's nothing else gravity could be, we know that spacetime exists, because we perceive effects of its curvature. Your position is, again, refuted by observation.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Aren't you a little early for All Fools Day? My, aren't we clever. How long did it take you to Google for that little rejoinder? I'm cut to the quick, I must say.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
If space occupies everything and everywhere - l x w x h , how can it be straight or curved? It's my understanding that it curves into additional dimensions that we can't percieve. Or at least, that's how it's explained.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Explained by whom exactly? By dem folks what do explainin'!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
First we must separate it from 'G-force' or powered acceleration, that of say a motor car or fair-ground ride. You're in a soundproof rocket with no windows. You're either sitting at rest on the Earth's surface or you're accelerating in space at one g. How do you tell the difference? Moreover, if Einstien couldn't, how do you expect to? There is no difference between gravity and acceleration, because gravity is acceleration caused by deformed space.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You didn't answer my question. Take your time.
a rocket uses its propulsion against the resistance of the atmosphere and gravity to accelerate to E.V. Rockets push against the atmosphere? What kind of horseshit is that? [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 03-30-2004]
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Are you familiar with the term Co-efficient of drag? Are you familiar with Newton's laws of motion? Because you don't seem to be.
they would notice only subtle differences to do with environment What differences? The rocket is soundless and has no windows. There's nothing that can enter the rocket except for gravity.
1G, strangely is not the same as the amount of gravitation they would feel on earth, similar but not the same. It's exactly the same.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
No, it is not Gravity, it is inertia that holds them in place. You still haven't explained how you tell the difference. And your insistance on two separate forces that have exactly the same effect is becoming pretty comical.
No, 1G is less than the gravitation experienced on Earth. The gravity experienced on the Earth's surface (at some specific reference altitude, I'm sure) is exactly one G, because that's how a G is defined. You're trying to tell me that one isn't equal to one? By all means, keep talking. Maybe some sense will come out.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Let's see if your simple maths are as good as you make out. Let's see if yours is, via multiple choice: 9.8 m per second per second is equal to: 1) 10 m per second per second 2) 8 m per second per second 3) 9.8 m per second per second There's no difference between the units used for gravity and the units used for acceleration - it's meters per second per second in each case. If you answered anything but 3, send back your diploma - you didn't earn it.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You never seem willing to answer questions, Why is that? I'm happy to answer any relevant questions you care to ask, to the best of my limited knowledge. So far, few of your questions have been relevant.
What is deformed space? The presence of mass distorts space. Straight-line motion through warped space appears curved to observers in the universe. Duh.
Is 1bar = to 1 atm. Obviously not. But one atm = .987 bar. That's the same quantity expressed in different units. Ok, here's my three: Does 1 g = 1 g? How would you tell the difference between acelleration of one g and gravity of one g acting on a space capsule with otherwise no connection to the outside world? Why the fuck are you bringing up pressure in a discussion of gravity and acceleration?
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
The next thing is, are you aware of Einsteins micro-gravity effects on accelerating bodies [as in your example] and there absence with a resting body on the Earth... Cite, please? Note that "your ass" is not a convincing citation. How would you detect these effects inside the space capsule? Assume that it's large enough to contain any equipment you like so long as none of the equipment penetrates the capsule.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Did you see my answer to why there is a difference between inertial G and gravitation? You mean your bullshit? I thought you were kidding. You're serious? Please, try again.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You must have mis-read google... 1 bar is LESS than 1 Atmosphere... 14.3PSI against 14.7PSI You're right, I did. The table wasn't exactly clear. Revised figures: 1 atm = 1.0132500 bar = 14.6960000 psi. Same pressure measured in different ways. So obviously different numbers. But acceleration and gravity are the same thing measured in the same units. So 1 g = 1 g. It's lunacy to conclude differently. 9.8 m/s^2 is 9.8 m/s^2 no matter what you measure.
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
You don't seem to know your Einstein stuff do you... type 'Einsteins painter' into google, there has to be something there that will enlighten you. How about you just tell me, Dr. Mysterious? Or don't you even know?
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