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Author Topic:   Fear of venomous (& poisonous) animals: who is to blame?
Denesha
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Message 1 of 11 (96981)
04-02-2004 3:00 AM


Hi there,
Followind Adminnemooseus's suggestion, lets try to have a nice constructive discussion on this theme.
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What's the problem between some people and spiders, snakes, toads and other related animals?
Denesha

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Denesha
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Message 5 of 11 (97030)
04-02-2004 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Buzsaw
04-02-2004 9:47 AM


Dear Quetzal and Buzsaw,
These are indeed two pertinent investigation fields.
A Physiologic (emotional) buried response (instinct?) and a subtle reptilian strategy. This is a successful start.
A troubling fact is that Australian natives lives in the world region where the most venomous snake species exist. But these snakes are important actors of their belief and culture.
Denesha

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Denesha
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Message 7 of 11 (98633)
04-08-2004 5:09 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by Parsimonious_Razor
04-03-2004 1:44 PM


I agree with you. Irrational phobies should have a plain scientific explanation concerning their origin. I still believe that this genetic secular fear is gave to (human) offspring, next reactivated, overstated and hijacked by religious environmental mediators.
Animal venomous apparatus are not recent functional novelties. I bear in mind that venomous animals existed long time before the human lineage was separed from apes in Africa. Venom was a limitative environmental parameter but completely different than Felidae or Crocodile predation. Casualties were heavy to support for the primitive human population but the signification is different.
I mean that you must do an intelligent relationship between a bite and a later fatal issue. For snakes, scorpions, the bite (or sting) is painful so this association is quite easy to consider but this is not true for spiders. World toxicologic statistics are unable to tell how much people really die each year due to spider envenimation.
Snakes are fully integrated (bad or good) to beliefs. Not spiders yet...
Any guess?
Denesha

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Denesha
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Message 9 of 11 (98708)
04-08-2004 2:41 PM
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04-08-2004 12:14 PM


Re: Snake Idols
Dear Mespo,
Thank you very much for this brillant contribution. Honestly, I didn't inverstigate these fields yet.
Have a nice day,
Denesha

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Denesha
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Message 11 of 11 (99193)
04-11-2004 5:43 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by Mespo
04-08-2004 12:14 PM


spider idols
Hi Mespo,
This one is famous and according to the huge size of this drawing, people from the Nazca valley (Peru) have really appreciated this animal.
From : http://www.gpsdrawing.com/gallery/land/portspider.htm
But I agree with you, such example is quite rare.
Denesha

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